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To not really know what 'cis' means?

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BinarySearchTree Thu 23-Nov-17 01:16:01

I mean, of course I've looked it up, and I nod along whenever anyone describes me as cis.

But I don't really know what it means. I am a woman. I experience the world as a woman. I look like a woman and I am happy to be described as a woman. I could not be described as a tomboy. I support women's rights and equality.

But I wouldn't say I 'identify' with the female gender. I find it quite constraining and oppressive. But I would say I am a woman. Am I cis? Am I not? I don't understand!

OlennasWimple Thu 23-Nov-17 01:19:00

I reject the label "cis" because to me it is an insultingly unnecessary addition to the term "woman", which is all I need to describe me

ComingUpTrumps Thu 23-Nov-17 01:21:57

I don't know what the fuck 'cis' is either blushconfused could someone explain please? Is it when you're still the same sex/gender that you were born as?

BinarySearchTree Thu 23-Nov-17 01:28:19

I think that's the proper definition, ComingUpTrumps, but I can't get my head round it. I don't identify with the female gender! I don't even know what it would mean to identify with the female gender. That I should be super caring and like lipstick? I don't know! Does that make me not cis? 😳

Help please!

LineysBum Thu 23-Nov-17 01:30:58

It's a nonsense word. Reject it.

Battleax Thu 23-Nov-17 01:33:01

Yes. Complete bollocks, designed to put us in a box.

LineysBum Thu 23-Nov-17 01:38:15

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araiwa Thu 23-Nov-17 01:42:15

Cisgender (often abbreviated to simply cis) is a term for people whose gender identity matches the sex that they were assigned at birth. Cisgender may also be defined as those who have "a gender identity or perform a gender role society considers appropriate for one's sex"

pisacake Thu 23-Nov-17 01:48:37

Ciswoman is based on the Latin 'cis', and means 'woman'
Compare with
Nonwoman, from the Latin 'non', meaning 'not a woman'

However the opposite of 'nonwoman' is just woman.

So it's an invalid term.

Respect people's prefixes motherfuckers.

LineysBum Thu 23-Nov-17 01:53:37

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Movablefeast Thu 23-Nov-17 01:58:25

I thought Feminism meant we define ourselves as women and do not have to acceot how others define us. The term Cis seems to have come out of nowhere and no one asked me if I acceot this term to define myself. I do not. It seems to imply that women can not be defined biologically. I am a biological woman not a ^type" of woman.

BinarySearchTree Thu 23-Nov-17 01:58:56

Araiwa - I know, that's from Wikipedia. But I consider myself to be a woman, though I don't agree that that definition applies to me.

So am I alright to ask people not to call me cis? Would that be offensive? I really don't want to offend anyone but I'm nodding along and not really understanding.

Movablefeast Thu 23-Nov-17 01:59:41

Who came up with this definition?

BinarySearchTree Thu 23-Nov-17 01:59:47

*that that definition of 'cis' applies to me

Italiangreyhound Thu 23-Nov-17 02:01:54

It's a science term

cis1
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adjectiveCHEMISTRY
denoting or relating to a molecular structure in which two particular atoms or groups lie on the same side of a given plane in the molecule, in particular denoting an isomer in which substituents at opposite ends of a carbon–carbon double bond are on the same side of the bond.
"the cis isomer of stilbene"

but it's used to mean not trans.

I am not trrans and reject the term.

pisacake Thu 23-Nov-17 02:04:47

According to the OED

"Derived from the Latin preposition cis, meaning ‘on this side of’, until relatively recently this prefix was chiefly visible in English in the adjectives cisalpine and cismontane (‘on this side of the Alps/mountains’), and in the names of certain chemicals displaying a particular type of molecular symmetry. Since 1994 however, when the word cisgendered was used by an American academic appealing for help with a study of transgender issues, cis– has taken on a new lease of life "

HeartsTrumpDiamonds Thu 23-Nov-17 02:06:24

FWR board explains this very well.

I’m not a ciswoman either.

pisacake Thu 23-Nov-17 02:46:36

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pisacake Thu 23-Nov-17 03:03:09

Basically transgender people decided 'we are transgender', then a bit later decided to define everyone else in terms of their own identity.

This is akin to people with one leg defining other people as 'non-amputees'.

It's obviously nonsensical.

Your condition (gender disphoria) is yours, but you don't get to define me as a 'not you'. That's narcissistic nonsense.

Nyx1 Thu 23-Nov-17 03:12:43

It's just offensive rubbish meaning "you're not trans"

Do say "I hate being referred to as cis" if it's that's how you feel.

SequinRash Thu 23-Nov-17 03:22:07

just say, "I prefer to not be referred to as cis because I do not experience gender as a fun identity to be explored. I find it to be a patriarchal structure which is used to denigrate women. I do not "identify" with such oppression."
Or something.

ThumbWitchesAbroad Thu 23-Nov-17 03:26:41

At it's most basic, in organic chemistry, cis = boat and trans = chair.
That makes you a boat woman.
<TOTALLY TONGUE IN CHEEK>

I don't like it either - it annoys me. I'm a woman - I have all the reproductive bits and related hormones of a woman, I talk and look like a woman, I have the physical characteristics of a woman. I was born a woman, I will die a woman and you won't catch me being cis at any point.

ThumbWitchesAbroad Thu 23-Nov-17 03:26:41

At it's most basic, in organic chemistry, cis = boat and trans = chair.
That makes you a boat woman.
<TOTALLY TONGUE IN CHEEK>

I don't like it either - it annoys me. I'm a woman - I have all the reproductive bits and related hormones of a woman, I talk and look like a woman, I have the physical characteristics of a woman. I was born a woman, I will die a woman and you won't catch me being cis at any point.

ThumbWitchesAbroad Thu 23-Nov-17 03:27:16

Oops - sorry for double post! blush

OtterInDisgrace Thu 23-Nov-17 03:34:33

It doesn’t ‘mean’ anything. It’s a made-up word with the intended purpose of pushing women further into stereotypes and labels.

Oh sorry, I should have said ‘biological’ women or, actually, I don’t think trans like that and they’re the ones who made up the word after all to suit their agenda.

Hmm. Confused, now.

But one thing I know is I’m not fucking ‘identifying’ as ‘cis’ Just cos someone decided I must.

Fuck. That.

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