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to think it is CRIMINAL to describe male rapists as women

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DickToPhone Wed 08-Mar-17 12:50:19


The article starts:

"Last night, Crimewatch covered the case of Lisa Hauxwell: a sex offender who could be living as a either man or a woman. On the run from a 14-year prison sentence, the offender has not been seen since being convicted of a string of rapes and sexual assaults committed between 2001-2002.

It has become, sadly, typical to hear of appeals for information on male sex offenders - yet when the perpetrator is female, it always seems much more shocking. "

But the perpetrator was not female! Women CANNOT rape. It's a physical and legal impossibility. Therefore - conclusively - the offender was a male.

To compound matters, they couldn't find this evil fucker for a year because the police were more bothered tying themselves up in knots humouring a RAPIST and his silly games then actually trying to catch a dangerous sex criminal.

Last year:

"Lisa Lacey, aged 47, who also uses the name Lisa Hauxwell and Lisa Hauxley, was last seen at about 9pm on Sunday, April 3, at her home in Holbeck."

"Detectives say she has also been known to use a male identity under the name Craig John Hauxwell. A photograph of Lisa as Craig has also been issued as part of the appeal to trace her."

They then further compounded

"POLICE hunting for a missing woman said she had been spotted in a Derbyshire shop - with the footage appearing to show her dressed as a man."


They apparently managed to tell 'Gay Star News' that he was genetically male:

But not any mainstream source

AIBU to wonder why the police were sharing this apparent 'vulnerable woman goes missing' story when he was in fact a dangerous MALE rapist? And to think that he wasn't a very good example for a story about how shocking female sex offenders are? Man rapes people, police describe him as woman, today found & living as a man (although I'm not sure how you tell? are we saying that you are a woman based on dress, hair cut, what?)

Suddenly based, presumably, on his clothes & haircut, the police are happy to say "We understand Hauxwell had been living at the address in Newark for several months, without anyone knowing his true identity." WTF is this shit? How have they determined that his gender identity is now male? Did they ask him whether despite 'presenting as a man' (whatever the fuck that means) he in fact 'identifies as a woman'? Perhaps he was 'dressing as a man' because the stupid police were insisting he was a woman, so this made it easier to evade capture? Who are we to presume that his femaleness is negated by his 'presenting as a man'? If a woman presents as a man for subterfuge does that means she is no longer a woman?

CaoNiMartacus Wed 08-Mar-17 12:58:28

This is the sharp edge of allowing self-identification for gender.

exWifebeginsat40 Wed 08-Mar-17 12:59:16

oh for christ's sake leave it alone. endless fucking threads in a bottomless echo chamber.

VestalVirgin Wed 08-Mar-17 13:00:44

I agree. It is criminal.

It is also gaslighting. All describing males as women is gaslighting, of course, but it is worst when done with dangerous criminals. Forcing the victims of a rapist to pretend that he is a woman is gaslighting, is psychological abuse, and the people responsible for this (not necessarily the police, perhaps we have politicians to blame!) ought to be imprisoned for their violence against not only those rape victims but everyone who could see that this man is very obviously a man.

And their endangering of everyone who lived near him, and who would perhaps have recognized him had they admitted they were looking fore a MALE RAPIST.

How anyone can still defend this trans-self-identification crap is beyond me.

Do those people have no compassion AT ALL for rape victims? Because that is what the identity nonense leads to. THAT IS WHAT IDIOCY AND DENYING BIOLOGICAL FACTS LEADS TO!

Apparently there are people who now would like to allow all males to self-identify into women's prisons, women's changing rooms, et cetera, but want to exclude child rapists that the public knows and hates from this.

I wonder how the fuck they want to do this, because human rights apply to rapists, too, and if you make it a human right to identify as woman because the male in question feels like it that day, that is what you end up with.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 08-Mar-17 13:01:25


As I said on another thread, it's like being in some sort of weird anxiety dream where words suddenly don't mean what they think they do.

I'd be interested to know if his crimes have been listed as being commited by a male or female.

DickToPhone Wed 08-Mar-17 13:01:58

leave it alone? The police call for leads on the location of a male rapist who they describe as a vulnerable woman without mentioning the rapes, and you want to leave it alone?

it's only endless as long as we allow it to carry on. This didn't happen 10 years ago.

Floggingmolly Wed 08-Mar-17 13:04:07

They're describing a rapist as a vulnerable woman, because the cretin has "self identified"? The world has gone fucking mad

DickToPhone Wed 08-Mar-17 13:06:55

Yes, the exact words from Leeds CID

"We remain very concerned for Lisa’s welfare and urgently need to trace her to establish that she is safe and well."

Gallavich Wed 08-Mar-17 13:10:46

leave it alone WTF?
This is only the start of the fight on our hands. We won't leave it alone until this shit stops happening.

RitaMills Wed 08-Mar-17 13:13:23

I saw the thread this morning regarding this issue, I had to go check my calander thinking I'd skipped a few weeks and woken up on April 1st.

MoiraRosesMeltdown Wed 08-Mar-17 13:14:51

VestalVirgin how is this gas lighting? I thought gas lighting was behaviour designed to make someone think they are going mad?

BenLinusatemyhomework Wed 08-Mar-17 13:15:19

Amazing how the prospect of 14 years in the clink cured his dysphoria right up. Almost as if it didn't really exist in the first place.

Floggingmolly Wed 08-Mar-17 13:15:30

He's (awaits the usual deletion for calling a spade a spade "misgendering"), a damn site safer and less vulnerable than any of his victims.
Surely committing the act of rape with a real life working penis should preclude the nonsense of declaring that you're actually a woman because you feel like one being taken seriously? The fact that it doesn't is extremely frightening.

PigletWasPoohsFriend Wed 08-Mar-17 13:16:05

Third thread on this exact article....

SookiesSocks Wed 08-Mar-17 13:16:07


Thank you for your wise words there ex you must be so proud of your intelligant contribution hmm

JapabSharted Wed 08-Mar-17 13:17:33

oh for christ's sake leave it alone.


I've helpfully signposted the exit to the Echo Chamber for you:

BenLinusatemyhomework Wed 08-Mar-17 13:17:33

And by that I don't want to imply that gender dysphoria is not a real condition, it is and highly debilitating for those that suffer it.

Just clearly not for this abusive male.

DickToPhone Wed 08-Mar-17 13:17:48

More detail here:

He was charged with the offences - two rapes and seven indecent assaults - in 2015 as Craig John Hauxwell.

He was sentenced in November 2016, in absentia, possibly as Lisa Hauxwell, to 14 years.

So at the time of the appeal to find an apparent vulnerable woman to which people were saying 'maybe she doesn't want to be found, hun', he had already been charged with numerous serious sex crimes!

HE would have known why the police were looking for him, because he had already been charged with these sex crimes! HE wouldn't have had any doubt in his mind as to whether they were actually concerned about HIS welfare, because HE had already been charged (as man!!) with crimes for which he will serve a very long sentence! So why the actual FUCK did the police describe this dangerous man as a woman whose welfare they were worried about?

It's scandalous and those police responsible for this should be held accountable.

welshmist Wed 08-Mar-17 13:23:52

Now I am confused I thought you were all talking about this case.

VestalVirgin Wed 08-Mar-17 13:26:04

VestalVirgin how is this gas lighting? I thought gas lighting was behaviour designed to make someone think they are going mad?

If someone knows they were raped by a man, and everyone around them insists that they were raped by a woman, I grant you that it is obvious nonsense, but it is still an attempt to make the rape victims (and, well, every sane person) doubt their own perceptions.

We are in no confusion about going mad because it is so obviously nonsense as if someone claimed that the moon is made of green cheese or that the sky is yellow.

But if you clearly remember something, and everyone tells you that things are otherwise, that is gaslighting.

It likely won't succeed in this case, because everyone knows full well that only men have penises, and the UK helpfully defines rape such that it can only be committed with a penis.

Regardless, the attempt is made.

DickToPhone Wed 08-Mar-17 13:29:40

Welshmist yes it's pretty fucked up when there are multiple (not actually) 'woman' rapists in the news at the same time, all being slavishly described as women. When even the Daily Mail refers to the alleged perpetrator of an offence which in law requires a penis as a 'woman' you know the world is haywire.

FlyingElbows Wed 08-Mar-17 13:33:18

Be in no doubt that I am in complete agreement with how ridiculous this is, but... Is it possible that Leeds CID have chosen their wording as potentially the most effective to get a positive response from the public? Are the public likely to react more to reports of a vulnerable woman than a violent rapist?

Yes, yes, I know, it's wrong, it's totally wrong, it's every shade of nonsense, I'm embarrassed to write it. blush

VestalVirgin Wed 08-Mar-17 13:35:31

* Are the public likely to react more to reports of a vulnerable woman than a violent rapist?*

Well, yes. They will be happy the police is looking for this poor, vulnerable woman instead of angry that police let a dangerous rapist escape.

But they are not more likely to actually report having seen the man, because the man looks like a man, and not like a woman.

MoiraRosesMeltdown Wed 08-Mar-17 13:55:43

VestalVirgin I get it now. Thank you. That makes perfect sense. I was curious, and doubting my knowledge.
Sorry to ask another ignorant question, but is rape defineid by the use of a penis? Would a foreign object count as rape as sexual assault?

Twistmeandturnme Wed 08-Mar-17 13:59:46

...and just today all over the news, a woman charged with repeated rape of a man.
No mention in any of the papers I can find that the woman is a transwoman.
Katie Brannen

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