Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think it is CRIMINAL to describe male rapists as women

201 replies

DickToPhone · 08/03/2017 12:50

WTF?

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/truth-female-sex-offenders/

The article starts:

"Last night, Crimewatch covered the case of Lisa Hauxwell: a sex offender who could be living as a either man or a woman. On the run from a 14-year prison sentence, the offender has not been seen since being convicted of a string of rapes and sexual assaults committed between 2001-2002.

It has become, sadly, typical to hear of appeals for information on male sex offenders - yet when the perpetrator is female, it always seems much more shocking. "

But the perpetrator was not female! Women CANNOT rape. It's a physical and legal impossibility. Therefore - conclusively - the offender was a male.

To compound matters, they couldn't find this evil fucker for a year because the police were more bothered tying themselves up in knots humouring a RAPIST and his silly games then actually trying to catch a dangerous sex criminal.

Last year:

www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2016-04-14/fresh-appeal-to-trace-missing-leeds-woman/

"Lisa Lacey, aged 47, who also uses the name Lisa Hauxwell and Lisa Hauxley, was last seen at about 9pm on Sunday, April 3, at her home in Holbeck."

"Detectives say she has also been known to use a male identity under the name Craig John Hauxwell. A photograph of Lisa as Craig has also been issued as part of the appeal to trace her."

They then further compounded

www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/missing-woman-dressed-as-man-seen-in-dronfield-1-7873949

"POLICE hunting for a missing woman said she had been spotted in a Derbyshire shop - with the footage appearing to show her dressed as a man."

And:

www.facebook.com/westyorkshirepolice/posts/10154129801369920

They apparently managed to tell 'Gay Star News' that he was genetically male: www.gaystarnews.com/article/police-help-missing-trans-woman/

But not any mainstream source www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-36123487

AIBU to wonder why the police were sharing this apparent 'vulnerable woman goes missing' story when he was in fact a dangerous MALE rapist? And to think that he wasn't a very good example for a story about how shocking female sex offenders are? Man rapes people, police describe him as woman, today found & living as a man (although I'm not sure how you tell? are we saying that you are a woman based on dress, hair cut, what?) www.sunderlandecho.com/news/crime/convicted-sex-offender-who-lives-as-a-man-and-woman-is-traced-after-tv-appeal-1-8427467

Suddenly based, presumably, on his clothes & haircut, the police are happy to say "We understand Hauxwell had been living at the address in Newark for several months, without anyone knowing his true identity." WTF is this shit? How have they determined that his gender identity is now male? Did they ask him whether despite 'presenting as a man' (whatever the fuck that means) he in fact 'identifies as a woman'? Perhaps he was 'dressing as a man' because the stupid police were insisting he was a woman, so this made it easier to evade capture? Who are we to presume that his femaleness is negated by his 'presenting as a man'? If a woman presents as a man for subterfuge does that means she is no longer a woman?

OP posts:
JapabSharted · 08/03/2017 19:15

USA and Norway, tuna

different definitions of rape to the UK

(and to me)

SookiesSocks · 08/03/2017 19:16

Nobody has said it does not happen screw just that in the uk rape involves penetration by a penis. Women do not have penises.

Plus the sheer scale if female -male rapes does not come even close to the male-female rapes and not acutally relevent to this thread. I cannot understand why you are forcing the issue?

PageStillNotFound404 · 08/03/2017 19:21

This case of this man wearing a dress to evade capture happened in England, so it is English & Welsh law and English & Welsh definitions of rape that are relevant. And in E&W law you can only rape if you have a penis. Definitions in other jurisdictions are interesting but don't change the fact that where this case took place, a person who commits rape is a MAN.

YANBU OP. The world is going fucking mad, bar a few threads on MN.

Elendon · 08/03/2017 19:22

I do hope that your friend Screw has found himself a lovely partner he can have consensual sex with. Without any hangups either.

Screwinthetuna · 08/03/2017 19:27

Because I'm explaining myself, not forcing the issue. I had no idea that in the UK only men can be convicted of rape and I'm pretty shocked and disgusted about it. As a previous poster said, the word 'rape' does seem to sting harder than sexual assault and it's a bloody sexist law that states women cannot commit rape.

Klaphat · 08/03/2017 19:28

I'll wait until we've duly had the 3652876487655389865302 threads full of posters individually expressing dismay over all the individual women who are raped and sexually assaulted before I get round to joining the queue to focus on Screwinthetuna's male friend's sexual assault.

Screwinthetuna · 08/03/2017 19:28

Thanks, Elendon, he has :) There are some evil people out there...

Elendon · 08/03/2017 19:31

Wouldn't you be better to direct your anger Screw to men who rape women? Surely it's women who are aping male behaviour in the misconception of equality.

End male sexual assault and rape and I can assure you that the women will follow. Besides, you wouldn't want your hard earned taxes going towards locking up more people in prison now would you?

Klaphat · 08/03/2017 19:33

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

BenLinusatemyhomework · 08/03/2017 19:33

It isn't sexist. The sentencing of women who penetrate someone with an object are just the same as penetration with a penis. It is differentiated because males can impregnate females.

Nobody is arguing that the psychological trauma of a sexual attack is less or more depending on the relative sex of victim and perpetrator.

Klaphat · 08/03/2017 19:34

how hard male victims have it*, not are.

Elendon · 08/03/2017 19:34

Screw I'm so pleased he's got over his sexual assault so quickly. And that he didn't feel suicidal from it. I'm also pleased he didn't go on into another sexually abusive relationship. Or that he didn't spiral down into depression. This happens quite frequently with those who are sexually abused. Your friend has been lucky.

Screwinthetuna · 08/03/2017 19:38

Klap, no, I have not name changed since joining this site. I also don't know what an MRA is but I do think that rape/sexual assault should be taken as seriously no matter what the gender. So, I stand with the Americans and Norwegians

Screwinthetuna · 08/03/2017 19:41

And if my son was ever sexually assaulted by a woman, damn right that woman should be labelled a rapist and not just 'a woman who has committed sexual assault.'

SookiesSocks · 08/03/2017 19:43

but I do think that rape/sexual assault should be taken as seriously no matter what the gender.

Who is not taking it seriously?

This thread is about a make rapist being xalled a women. I really cant understand your point screw. I am not being rude I am just not getting what it has to do with this thread.

SookiesSocks · 08/03/2017 19:43

Male not make

Screwinthetuna · 08/03/2017 19:44

It was actually to klap, sookies, who is being pretty rude and confrontational.

stitchglitched · 08/03/2017 19:49

A man who violated women with his penis is being called a woman. His victims will probably have seen the coverage. His victims who had to endure a traumatic assault and aftermath unique to being raped by a man. So why, Screw, is your most pressing concern on this thread the need to redefine to include women?

Klaphat · 08/03/2017 19:51

It was actually to klap, sookies, who is being pretty rude and confrontational.

I'll take your idea of rude and confrontational over the kind of agenda you're peddling and the place you choose to do it any day of the week.

Screwinthetuna · 08/03/2017 19:51

Stitch, as I said in the beginning, it is WRONG that this man was referred to as a woman. He is a male rapist, simple. What started my discussion was that I did not know that in the UK, women cannot be convicted of rape. Simple as that

Screwinthetuna · 08/03/2017 19:52

Agenda I'm peddling? Seriously, haha

SookiesSocks · 08/03/2017 19:53

Screw i honestly dont think Klap is being rude. Frustrated yes but you must be able to see why?

Everytime somebody says 3 women per week are murdered at the hands of their partner/ex somebody pipes up oh but men are dv victoms too same with rape just as you have done on this thread.

The scale of male to female violence is shocking and is much much much much higher than female to male. Yet we are not allowed to discuss that higher percentage without including menz in to the mix Hmm

Why must men infiltrate everything? Even when the women are suffering on a much grater scale. Sad

stitchglitched · 08/03/2017 19:55

Because rape with a penis carries specific risks. Sexual assault convictions have just as severe penalties available for the tiny percentage of female perpetrators.

funnylikeaclown · 08/03/2017 19:56

YANBU, we are all being railroaded into accepting a complete distortion of the truth. I can only hope that Jenni Murray has set an example for other influential people to speak out

allchattedout · 08/03/2017 19:57

What happened to your friend was awful, Screw.

However, it was no worse than many horrific sexual assaults (that don't involve penile penetration) that are perpetrated on women every day. Just because it was a male victim does not make it worse and female perpetrators are very rare. You do get some, but it is not widespread.

Across the globe, women are raped every single day. Young girls are mutilated or forced to marry old men. It is wrong to pretend that women are just as guilty as men. They really really are not.

That said, I do hope your friend reported it and the two women were convicted for what they did.

Swipe left for the next trending thread