Was my dd being unreasonable?

(204 Posts)
TheBFGisme1234 Mon 22-Jun-15 16:37:13

My dd, in year 8, was in a lesson at school today when a boy asked to refill his water bottle, to which the teacher replied- "No, that is a lunch time activity". However, five minutes later the same teacher, while teaching, was booking his holiday and ordering furniture. My dd realized this and questioned him as to why it was fair that he is allowed to book holidays but they are not allowed to fill up their water, both of which are lunchtime activities. The teacher then shouted at her and told her she embarrassed him and asked to see her after class.
My dd promptly burst into tears as she is normally impeccably behaved and in her entire school career has only been in trouble once, the whole class went silent. After class the teacher told her what she had said was wrong and cheeky, but that he would let it go this time as it is completely abnormal behaviour for her. On the one hand I agree with her teacher that she was being cheeky in pointing this out, but then again I see her point. So was my dd being unreasonable? Is there any way she could have pointed this out without being "cheeky"?

YouTheCat Mon 22-Jun-15 16:40:02

That teacher is letting her off purely because they know they shouldn't have been booking holidays during teaching time.

Tbh, and I am a stickler for respect, I don't think it was rude to point out the double standards.

MythicalKings Mon 22-Jun-15 16:40:21

How did she know what he was doing?

Maybe she should mind her own business.

Denimwithdenim00 Mon 22-Jun-15 16:41:40

How was he teaching while booking a holiday and ordering furniture?

A man multitasking? Your dd should have congratulated him. wink

Euphemia Mon 22-Jun-15 16:41:46

She was cheeky. The boy is at school, the teacher is at work - it's not her place to challenge him on what he does at work.

If she has concerns about his teaching, or about how the classroom is managed, she should address them to her form tutor or head of year.

PuppyMonkey Mon 22-Jun-15 16:41:54

"He would let it go this time.." grin

I wonder why...

charleybarley Mon 22-Jun-15 16:42:33

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

NeedsAsockamnesty Mon 22-Jun-15 16:42:35

Mythical.

It is her business the teacher is meant to be teaching

TheBFGisme1234 Mon 22-Jun-15 16:43:55

MythicalKings
the computer screen the teacher uses faces my daughter so whenever she looks up from her work its the first thing she sees.
She says that although they were doing their work quitely, up to five people had their hand up around the classroom

LazyLouLou Mon 22-Jun-15 16:44:02

Well... of course he let her off, he had just been breaking a whole heap of professional ethics, rules and regulations.

I would imagine he won't sleep for a while, waiting for one of his students to tell his boss that he spends some of his paid for, teaching time to book his holiday!

I am serious... I absolutely hated it when colleagues did this. I could never see why they did not accept that they were utterly in the wrong... then one was dismissed, IT dept documented a long period of personal browsing during timetabled teaching hours.

Reassure your dd that she was in the right, she spotted hypocrisy and questioned it. But also remind her that, in the grown up world, do as I say, not as I do often rules... odd or unfair as that may seem.

But you could contact HoY/HT and comment....

WhetherOrNot Mon 22-Jun-15 16:44:34

How old is she? Year 8 means nothing to me! Why not just say her age?

startwig1982 Mon 22-Jun-15 16:45:05

Our school has a strict no filling up bottles during lessons policy too. She was cheeky and I would have reprimanded her. However, I don't book holidays during my lessons!
That being said, he may just have been on those sites for lesson planning purposes. I frequently use holiday sites, Argos, eBay etc for lessons and I definitely don't shop at school!

InexperiencedDisneyMum Mon 22-Jun-15 16:45:49

Your Dd aas cheeky. It wasn't her place to point this out to the teacher.

RaptorInaPorkPieHat Mon 22-Jun-15 16:45:59

I wonder what the teacher's head of department would think.

But then as he 'let it go' it doesn't need to go any further does it. wink

lordsandladies Mon 22-Jun-15 16:46:27

Well yes she was cheeky. But then he was wrong to be using teaching time this way.

If you are absolutely sure that's the situation I would speak to him. Pointing out you have told your DD not the talk back / to respect her teacher for questioning the use of her learning time to book holidays.

Loudly

Preferably near the head.

But then I'm PA like that and don't like blind obedience and respect unless it's earned.

GlitzAndGigglesx Mon 22-Jun-15 16:47:33

I don't think she was cheeky at all. I know some kids use getting water as an excuse to muck about outside but at the same time schools are always trying to encourage drinking it

Euphemia Mon 22-Jun-15 16:47:49

I'm impressed he can get onto those sites. Most days our internet blocks everything. confused

YouTheCat Mon 22-Jun-15 16:48:32

We used to have a teacher who spent an awful lot of teaching time looking at personal emails and messages. It was widely known but difficult to prove.

They ended up teaching an Early Years class, where there was no chance of ever getting away with that. grin

elderflowerlemonade Mon 22-Jun-15 16:49:57

I hate water bottles in schools.

I do think it's cheeky to speak to an adult like that. Especially given she wasn't the one to ask to fill her water bottle up.

SurlyCue Mon 22-Jun-15 16:50:22

<high fives OP's DD>

Well done her. Of course he is letting it go, because he is the one in the wrong and the only reason he shouted is because he was called on it and had to turn it back on her to make them all afraid to question him again or report him. I'd be reporting the whole thing.

WayneRooneysHair Mon 22-Jun-15 16:51:43

Your daughter deserves a round of applause and the teacher needs a bollocking.

LazyLouLou Mon 22-Jun-15 16:54:22

startwig.... did you plan your lessons during classes?

I hope not!

OvidWasMyFishmonger Mon 22-Jun-15 16:55:47

She wasn't cheeky. She had every right to question why a man who's paid to teach her wasn't doing his job and was employing double standards.

OvidWasMyFishmonger Mon 22-Jun-15 16:58:13

I'd report to the head too. I wouldn't want my children to be taught that double standards are ok, I wouldn't want my kids in the cart for pointing out the truth and I don't want the person who's paid to teach my children spending any of their classroom time booking holidays and buying furniture.

caravanista13 Mon 22-Jun-15 16:58:41

As a former teacher I don't think she was being cheeky at all - teachers earn respect by their actions not their job title and I wouldn't respect a colleague who researched holidays in class time.

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