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Non-quiche for people working in HR, what do you all reckon?

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flowerybeanbag · 13/06/2008 09:26

Anyone fancy bit of a whinge support group?

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RuthT · 29/09/2008 09:37

Hi There CEEBEE and all...

On the childcare vouchers our company (reluctantly) is going to cough up on the CCV's if not enough pay to cover.

I know they are starting this in Oct when I am due to go just onto SMP but I haven't looked at the legislation to see if I am eligible given that I have been on mat leave since March this year.

Anyone know off hand?

deegward · 29/09/2008 09:58

Hi, feel I need to join. Was an HR mgr upto 7 years ago when we moved south due to dh job. Would like to get back into HR but like others didn't finish CIPD, and was hit with the 10 year rule when I was going to start again 6 years ago!

Was an absolute generalist, did everything from writing HR policies to delivering training courses, to shutting down factories!!

If was to go back would want to do part time/contract work, but heh doesn't everyone!

SexyMilf · 29/09/2008 12:38

Hi deegward, I wouldn't worry too much about the CIPD as it sounds as if you have the equivalent experience in buckets

stripeybumpsmum · 29/09/2008 20:30

Hi all,

Not posted for while, but in answer to Flowery's post, I am good thanks. How are you all?

Have new job which is super busy as have one vacancy two others both been off ill. Something I said??? Need to be much better at delegating which is not easy as I am control freak!

We are nearing end of redundancy
programme so loads of consultation. Our employee relations (in the bits unaffected by losses) are not great so masses of grievances and horrific absence. I did smile when ground for appeal against escalated final written warning was 'you pay company sick pay therefore you can only take action against absence once company sick pay ends'. He's a joker, bless him.

Catch up with you all later.

flowerybeanbag · 30/09/2008 19:28

Hi everyone, welcome deegward, sounds like you have lots of experience. Have you worked in something else during last 7 years or SAHM?

callme that would be lovely to have a reference for the website, thank you. If people in RL wish to rave about me who am I to stand in their way...?

New job sounds hectic stripey. Practice those delegation skills!

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RuthT · 09/10/2008 20:53

Oh my god the interview questions are a mare for this role.

Would welcome some ideas from you guys.

It is a very senior role, although a small team (only 3) lots of people in broader hr to influence.

As part of the senior management team what deliverables should you be accountable for?

Apart from just regurgitating the job description it is a hard one....

The talent management strategy, compensation (reward) strategy, basically for delivery against the HR strategy that you develop.

I guess central to the challenge I have in thinking about this is the old chesnut of 'What is HR truly accountable for when it is delivered and lives and dies with line managers?'

What are your thoughts on accountabilities and where HR can truly be held accountable?

priceyp · 09/10/2008 21:01

It's a tough one RuthT.
In answer to the last question "What is HR truly accountable for when it is delivered and lives and dies with line managers?"
HR are responsible for making sure that line managers deliver correct and plausable information to their subordinates (chose better word, brain not working). Line managers are the first port of call for team members and therefore should be able to give pertinent and consistent advice. What I mean is all company managers should be singing from the same song sheet. HR are accountable because policy is determined and agreed by them, taking into account the law and the wishes of the company stake holders. Does that help or have I missed the point?

flowerybeanbag · 10/10/2008 11:12

Enabling. Enabling the organisation to achieve its objectives by giving it the tools it needs in terms of advice, development, processes, structures, systems.

Influencing those who make decisions into making the right ones, best for the business, which often means convincing people of long-term benefits of a decision. Being prepared to be accountable for those proposals and for the results of those decisions if influence has been had on them.

IME HR don?t make policy. Not big decisions anyway. They influence policy, if they are any good and have any credibility, and they convince decision makers to make policy decisions, including proposing policy. Better if a policy decision is made by senior management, as influenced by HR, rather than imposed, (or perceived to be imposed) by HR - much easier to get buy-in. Decisions without buy-in from the right people are just a headache for everyone. If you?re at a stage where you are sufficiently credible and influential that your input changes the way an organisation is run without any actual defined power or authority, that?s feels good to me, and it?s where I like to be. You can be accountable for a lack of credibility and should be. None of this moaning 'why don't managers do what I say and listen to me, it's so terrible'. Take responsibility for that and fix it yourself.

Advising ? good quality advice which isn?t just ?well the law says x?, but is ?Well, what do you want to achieve? Ok lets talk about how we can achieve that for you. Or, well is that really the best option, here are the problems with it, how about considering x?? Getting the results the business wants because of the advice you give, rather than in spite of the obstacles you put in the way.

Understanding what the business is about. Not setting yourself apart, but being a part of it. Knowing what people are doing and facing everyday. Spending time out of HR, not going from HR dept to meeting rooms and back again.

Administration. Not sexy, we?re all supposed to be all strategic and business partner-y. But none of the things we want to achieve can be done without credibility, and the fastest way to undermine credibility of the function is to have offer letters sent out late or wrong, records inaccurate or missing, over-laborious procedures that don?t achieve much, slow response to basic enquiries, all that stuff. Easier to make sure house is in order and can?t be faulted rather than giving everyone first excuse to think HR is rubbish. Soon as anyone encounters a tiresome HR admin problem, their impression of HR is a ?bit rubbish?, meaning they won?t come for advice until last possible minute and will not value that advice when they do. Especially crucial during recruitment and induction ? DH?s impression of HR at his new job is already tainted because of incompetence with his offer letter. What a shame. He now thinks they?re all a bit rubbish and probably won?t be able to offer him any meaningful, helpful advice.

If it?s always smooth, helpful and timely, senior HR professionals spend less time apologising, sorting out problems and trying to re-establish credibility, their own and the function?s, and can concentrate on adding value and influencing the people who matter. Taking responsibility and being prepared to be held more accountable for those boring admin-y things is something lots of HR people want to avoid. But it?s in our interest to do so imo.

Be a help not a hindrance. Processes should ease the way for managers, or at least disrupt and hinder them as little as possible. Apart from anything else, because otherwise managers won?t follow them and neither will anyone else. Be accountable for the success and compliance rate of processes rather than blaming managers for not following them. Why aren't they following them and what can you do to make sure they do?

Getting good value and good service from providers. Taking the time to look at those things can ime result in huge ?wins?, have saved many thousands in the past by doing that when everyone else was just chugging along with historical arrangements and an ?Ain?t broke don?t fix it? attitude.

Managerial skills ? making sure managers have the skills they need to do the job as well as we want them to. Making sure they understand and see how it makes a difference.

Delivery on strategic objectives and being able to measure and demonstrate that. For example is your talent management strategy seen as just a load of HR guff, or can you demonstrate that since implementing it the organisation has successfully identified, retained, developed talent to good effect? Same with other strategic objectives. Lots of HR people imo want to get these things in place, all very lovely, but are less keen to measure them. Again, all impacts on credibility of the function, and with credibility established, influence is increased and compliance is easier achieved.

Providing accurate, relevant and useful management information, together with a proposal about how to address something in that information if there are negatives/concerns. So not just ?ooh, look how marvellous, we have turnover figures that have increased in x,y,z department', but instead saying, ?turnover figures have increased in x,y,z department, we are proposing x to find out why and will then propose a solution to address.?

That?s a bit of a waffle, just dumping some thoughts down really.

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stripeybumpsmum · 10/10/2008 22:21

I would second flowery's comments. Brain dump for me is: Policy is an outcome of strategy of the business, not a central element only of the HR function.

Read somewhere that HR success had to be linked simply to being credible, competent, curious about constant change and improvement, and caring about people. I interpret that as:

Credibility and competence absolutely about getting the basics right first time every time

curiousity about leverage of human factors to maximise benefit to the business

caring about people relates to managing the fall out internally and externally of people-related programmes and making a genuine effort to manage the risks of employee relations issues.

Apols for typos - wine has hit the spot after a vile week!

RuthT · 11/10/2008 14:27

Good food for thought. Agree about the strategy coming from business and Hr as enabler. Also that it is an HR as influencer now police and managers therefore listen as a result.

Think the measuring bit is a little more tricky as you can set these up but can get unexpected results which from original measures look unconvincing but from others things are good.

Thanks for your thoughts it helps - off on mat leave and normally bounce ideas of business areas and colleagues.

Another question for you guys if you don't mind a brain dump again!?

How do you build engagement an open and a creative, dynamic high performing organisation. (I have done it and answered but want some different viewpoints, otherwise you end up just doing the same old stuff over and over). It is a new area of >500 people.

RuthT · 11/10/2008 20:44

Actually, thinking about it the best question is what you would do first. i have a large toolkit to deploy but I always find out what I am dealing with first, both in my own team and in the client areas so that I can emphasise the good things and manage/improve the bad.

Trouble is when the group is in start up you are running to recruit and communicate and set up teams.

RuthT · 13/10/2008 20:09

No one any views ....

must be ...

or am I being too cheeky

flowerybeanbag · 14/10/2008 09:29

Not much time at moment will have a think later

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flowerybeanbag · 14/10/2008 20:38

Struggling a little bit with this Ruth, mainly because of how little we can know. I wouldn't want to make vague suggestions for how to build engagement in that kind of environment, of which I have plenty of knowledge, without knowing more, which is the point really isn't it? I'm sure you will have all the potential suggestions anyway, but I just wouldn't even start planning how to do that without research first.

As you've said, you need to know what you're dealing with. First thing would be to find out how engaged employees are at the moment, so you can work out your priorities, build effectively on the positives already there, come up with best solutions to the negatives and propose appropriate new initiatives to fit the people, the environment, the culture and the budget. So for me first step in building engagement would be doing that research thoroughly and well, which it often isn't. People realising that you are genuinely interested in engaging them and in their views is an immediate plus in that area anyway, although obviously you'd have to do something with the information not to negate that!

When you say 'new area', is it lots of new employees or just a redefining of existing? Sounds like lots of new if you are talking about lots of recruiting. I think if that's the case, a strategy for building engagement comes a bit later anyway. I'd focus on getting recruitment right, getting involvement and input from existing employees if there are any, depending on situation, having a really good recruitment procedure and developing a stunningly good induction programme.

Then a few months down the line, when people are settled a bit more and have had their stunning induction, then do your research and take it from there.

Sorry, that's a bit vague, but it's difficult without more info as I'm sure you appreciate.

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RuthT · 18/10/2008 00:35

Absolutely.

Having a bit of a crisis at mo - hence posting as not really sure I really want a bigger role....

Unlike me am thinking of pulling out until I can sort out my head. Maybe that is why I am finding it difficult and not just because I am on mat leave

Thanks flowery

flowerybeanbag · 18/10/2008 18:52

Well if your heart's not quite in it because you're not quite sure that's exactly what you want it won't be helping.

Sounds as though it's partly something that you think maybe you ought to want, or may want a bit later on, but it's come now?

If you pull out, will that be it, opportunity gone?

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RuthT · 19/10/2008 19:25

Well I have mulled over this and I am pulling out. I know I can do the role but I just don't think I want the all consuming nature of a big and start up role like that.

I am going to go for a slightly bigger role (than the one I have left) and ask for a 4 day week.

I think the bigger role would satisfy me challenge wise but not emotionally and I am not sure my husband would be truly happy that he gave up partnership and was looking after kids full time.

RuthT · 19/10/2008 19:27

Ah and forgot to say I am sure it will not go down well

RuthT · 26/10/2008 20:13

I am so excited.

I think the role may be mine on a 4 days basis. Makes me think I really should have asked ages ago!

flowerybeanbag · 27/10/2008 13:59

That's excellent news, congratulations, hope everything gets signed and sealed very soon, very exciting!

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RuthT · 19/11/2008 19:55

Where has everyone gone?

flowerybeanbag · 19/11/2008 20:22

I am here! How's things?

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RuthT · 21/11/2008 17:50

Well I now have sinusitus after having numerous other ailments

Honest I have never been so ill. Now on the high potency vits and echinacea (in case it works!)

How is everyone else

ForeverOptimistic · 21/11/2008 17:56

I'm here too. Congratulations on the role!

I was hoping to be job hunting now but family issues have got in the way. I hope to get my act together soon and will be asking you all for your wisdom and advice shortly!

flowerybeanbag · 23/11/2008 20:10

Sorry to hear you're under the weather Ruth. I seem to have had a permanent cold for the last couple of months if that's any consolation at all..

FO hang in there, maybe new year new job? Let us know how things go

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