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Can't bear the creepy new assistant

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Germainesays · 12/07/2024 14:02

I'm embarrassed to admit this because I've worked in offices for decades and coped with all sorts of people, but there's something about the new assistant that makes my skin crawl and sets off my fight/ flight response. I've tried rising above, I've tried avoiding and throwing a metaphorical protective shield around me, but after a month, when I hoped things would have settled down and I'd have been able to overcome my response to her, I feel even more 'Aaaaagh, get her away from me' than ever before. I'm female, by the way. Reading this back I realised that it might look as if I'm male.

I try to be an appropriately open and friendly colleague. I try to keep things professional, non-gossipy but cordial and polite. I seem to get on fine with most people.

The new woman is very intrusive. I've watched her in action and she picks up on little things people say and prods and interrogates them until they tell her more than they are comfortable with. She's a gossip and uses information she's gathered to spark dramas and stir things up. She has several times told me things that apparently my colleagues have said hoping, I suspect, for a response from me. I've ignored but a couple of people have been lured into the game and there's been tension.

In my very first conversation with her she was clearly fishing regarding office politics and personal stuff and it's gone on in the same vein — all too personal, too nosy. She finds sexual innuendo in the most benign remark and is constantly making physical contact. Earlier this week I had to sit beside her while talking her through a process on the computer. She moved her chair so that she was squashed up hard against me: not just brushing me occasionally, but snuggled up into me from shoulder to hip, with her thigh against mine. I moved my chair away and said 'We're at work, please give me some space' and she said 'Oh, you're one of those who don't like human contact, are you?' She also comes too close when speaking to people: she literally gets in peoples' faces and touches them — I've seen her grab someone's arm and then not let go when it's clear they want to step away.

I'm not the only person to be struggling with her and there have been quiet exchanges with other colleagues and eyes rolled. But I seem to be the most triggered by her and don't feel that I want to spend the last couple of years of my working life in her presence. I know it sounds ridiculous but it's a very strong, visceral response that I can't control.

I've never had to approach management about anything like this before and am scared of being accused of prejudice or being told I'm unreasonable and to get over it. What do I say? What do I ask for? What happens when someone who's been in post several years, without issues, goes to a manager and says they can't work with a new team member?

PS We worked from home during Covid but have been back in the office 4 days out of five for the last year. I could ask for an extra day wfh, I suppose, but as I'm in a supervisory position I'm not sure it would be granted.

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Tiredmumof6 · 17/07/2024 22:10

You need clear confident boundaries ; tell her you don’t like being touched , and you would hate to put her on her arse in front of new colleagues ;) I’m often called passive aggressive; I defo am when it comes to boundaries !

Atethehalloweenchocs · 17/07/2024 22:46

I managed someone like this - she was a nightmare and I had such a strong physical reaction to her, it was like my hairs would stand on end when she was around me. I am not averse to a touch on the arm or shoulder at work, or even a hug from someone I know, but if she ever put a hand on me I would shudder. She turned out to be completely malevolent and unpleasant. I was fortunate in that people knew what she was like when she was assigned to me. But I wish I had flagged my concerns earlier.

The best thing you can do is set firm boundaries and keep to them - no wavering or giving the benefit of the doubt. And talk to management asap. Dont criticize her. Just tell them that you are finding it tricky to establish a comfortable working relationship with her and give them some examples. State that you are not saying this is a her problem, but that this is making you very uncomfortable and you would appreciate their advice on how to manage this.

1989whome · 19/07/2024 07:47

You should of replied oh you're one of them people who don't respect boundaries!! I agree with you op, I couldn't deal with that! I really have no solution to offer but I understand how irritating that can be!

C1N1C · 19/07/2024 08:05

It's a power move. Either she's trying to intimidate directly, or she's gathering ammunition in the form of gossip.

Germainesays · 19/07/2024 10:41

This thread didn't get any responses for ages, so I thought it was one of those that had died.

@Atethehalloweenchocs Sounds as if you've met her!

She scares the bejaysus out of me. I know that she's always listening for anything I say with the intention of stirring things up/ starting a rumour/ setting people against each other. She's one of those people who enjoys causing trouble. I have already had one valued employee come to see me to ask if there's a chance of working more frequently from home.

She's only been in position for five weeks and we have a three-month probationary period during which time she could be let go without questions or complications. I'm going to book a meeting with my manager next week to alert him to the fact that I'm finding it difficult to manage her effectively and that she has settled easily into the team.

She's spending an increasing amount of time away from her desk talking, so I've started tackling her about that quite firmly. She also, this week, made a couple of mistakes in basic processes that she's been carrying out without a problem since week one. One of them ended up with the client complaining directly to my manager, so I'll use that as an illustration that she's not focussed on what she's doing.

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HelplessSoul · 19/07/2024 11:26

Save the aggro and just fire her already.

You will be glad you did.

WildUnknown · 19/07/2024 11:40

I'm in a very similar position and was glad to read your post because I didn't start a thread for fear of being flamed.

Mine is very touchy feely very intense, wants to do everyone else's job will undermine anyone, fucks stuff up in her haste to be the one to do it.

She makes my skill crawl and I feel nauseous when she touches me. She has actually noticed that I flinch away from her, and laughed about it.

I'm only a few feet away from her now and I am so uncomfortable

I don't have any answers, but I know exactly where you are coming from. I have no power to sack this person. She actually replaced The Laziest Worker Alive who was a nightmare and now I'm second guessing which is worse !

Swirlymist · 19/07/2024 11:49

Your subconscious, gut feeling, is warning you against her, and I have found they are never wrong. I have often wondered when you get these feelings about people that are so strong, thankfully, not very often, if they are a sociopath. I agree with others that you need to get rid of her, luckily she has shown her true self so early so it is very easy for you to sack her.

LlynTegid · 19/07/2024 11:53

Sexual innuendo and not respecting personal space (Covid is still about to some degree) seem enough to argue for a case that a probationary period has been failed.

Don't wait any longer, don't give in to any claims that 'I will change'.

SingingSands · 19/07/2024 12:04

I'm sorry you're dealing with this. Your descriptions have even made MY skin crawl!

You could bullet list what you've outlined to us re sexual innuendo, gossip, inappropriate physical behaviour, poor performance etc the. present the list to your manager. It takes the "emotion" out of the situation and on paper would make a very poor review of her.

WB205020 · 19/07/2024 12:43

@Germainesays Are you her line manager as you mention managing her? If so, do you have authority to make a decision on letting her go or do you need your manager to make that decision? Im not suggesting you do it now, but can you make the decision and relay that to your manager with the reason why or do you need to explain the situation and let them make the decision?

All that said, you need to be clear on what is acceptable behaviour and what is not and document events and occasions where inappropriate or unacceptable things have happened. Provide this to your manager and also to HR to cover bases then advise your manager you are letting her go or ask your manager to authorise you to do so with HR's oversight.

HermioneWeasley · 19/07/2024 12:46

Agree with PP, just get rid

Germainesays · 19/07/2024 13:28

WildUnknown · 19/07/2024 11:40

I'm in a very similar position and was glad to read your post because I didn't start a thread for fear of being flamed.

Mine is very touchy feely very intense, wants to do everyone else's job will undermine anyone, fucks stuff up in her haste to be the one to do it.

She makes my skill crawl and I feel nauseous when she touches me. She has actually noticed that I flinch away from her, and laughed about it.

I'm only a few feet away from her now and I am so uncomfortable

I don't have any answers, but I know exactly where you are coming from. I have no power to sack this person. She actually replaced The Laziest Worker Alive who was a nightmare and now I'm second guessing which is worse !

This sounds awful — and yes, I do understand.

I've just had to intervene. She stopped one of her colleagues and asked if they'd done anything interesting the night before. They said they'd been to see a film. Problem colleague wanted to know what film and who she'd been with and I could see the established colleague freeze up a bit because she barely knows the new colleague and she asked her questions in a very insinuating way. Established colleague said 'Oh, just a friend' and the new colleague said 'Oh, just a friend, eh, nudge nudge, wink wink' Established colleague laughed in an uncomfortable way and tried to walk away and new colleague reached out and put a hand on her arm to stop her and said 'Oh, go on, tell me. I hope you went home afterwards and had a good time' and she elbowed her to make her point.

I walked across and asked my established colleague whether she'd completed a task, giving her an excuse to get away, and was able to give new colleague a stern look and suggest she got on with some work. Her response was 'Oh, you always ruin the fun, hahahaha.'

She is constantly talking about sex. She's worse than any man. I wish I wasn't her manager because then I'd be able to ask her why she turns everything into sexual banter, but obviously I can't do that.

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WhereAreWeNow · 19/07/2024 13:40

Germainesays · 19/07/2024 10:41

This thread didn't get any responses for ages, so I thought it was one of those that had died.

@Atethehalloweenchocs Sounds as if you've met her!

She scares the bejaysus out of me. I know that she's always listening for anything I say with the intention of stirring things up/ starting a rumour/ setting people against each other. She's one of those people who enjoys causing trouble. I have already had one valued employee come to see me to ask if there's a chance of working more frequently from home.

She's only been in position for five weeks and we have a three-month probationary period during which time she could be let go without questions or complications. I'm going to book a meeting with my manager next week to alert him to the fact that I'm finding it difficult to manage her effectively and that she has settled easily into the team.

She's spending an increasing amount of time away from her desk talking, so I've started tackling her about that quite firmly. She also, this week, made a couple of mistakes in basic processes that she's been carrying out without a problem since week one. One of them ended up with the client complaining directly to my manager, so I'll use that as an illustration that she's not focussed on what she's doing.

Sounds like you have reason enough to consider not passing her probation.
It's important to separate out the visceral feelings from the tangible problems. As manager I would also give her a chance to change and let her know that gossiping, sexual innuendo, unwanted physical contact etc are all issues she needs to address.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 19/07/2024 13:48

Come on, you’re her boss. Tell her her performance is poor and her behaviour unacceptable abs she is going to fail her probation. You have to give her a chance to change. She won’t and then you can fail her.

EmeraldRoulette · 19/07/2024 13:48

Who hired her and who manages her? Is a hire because it was a favour to someone or she knows where bodies are buried etc?

she’s not doing her job properly and she’s harassing people. She should be out asap. I have had one such person in my career and she was mates with the CEO so it took ages to get rid. Start the process earlier rather than later.

WildUnknown · 19/07/2024 13:49

She is constantly talking about sex. She's worse than any man. I wish I wasn't her manager because then I'd be able to ask her why she turns everything into sexual banter, but obviously I can't do that

Why not? Surely someone you manage overstepping with ill advised banter is exactly a managers remit?

Germainesays · 19/07/2024 13:50

Are you her line manager as you mention managing her? If so, do you have authority to make a decision on letting her go or do you need your manager to make that decision? Im not suggesting you do it now, but can you make the decision and relay that to your manager with the reason why or do you need to explain the situation and let them make the decision?

The latter. I don't have the authority to let her go solely on my decision.

I'm beginning to firm up on this. I'm going in next week with a list of performance and behavioural issues that concern me. I've checked and we do have a policy that covers inappropriate behaviour, including sexualised language and inappropriate physical contact. I'm just hoping he'll listen to me and take it seriously and not laugh that I'm complaining that a woman is behaving sexually inappropriately. Has anyone ever encountered this before? I imagine most of the guidelines around this were designed to combat male sexual harassment in the workplace.

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Ciri · 19/07/2024 13:57

WildUnknown · 19/07/2024 13:49

She is constantly talking about sex. She's worse than any man. I wish I wasn't her manager because then I'd be able to ask her why she turns everything into sexual banter, but obviously I can't do that

Why not? Surely someone you manage overstepping with ill advised banter is exactly a managers remit?

Absolutely.

"Gertrude you need to be aware that comments like that are not professional and not acceptable. Can you get back to work pease."

Germainesays · 19/07/2024 14:02

WildUnknown · 19/07/2024 13:49

She is constantly talking about sex. She's worse than any man. I wish I wasn't her manager because then I'd be able to ask her why she turns everything into sexual banter, but obviously I can't do that

Why not? Surely someone you manage overstepping with ill advised banter is exactly a managers remit?

My feeling is that as her manager I can say to her I find her sexualised banter inappropriate for the workplace and I'd like her to stop it, but that it would be inappropriate to ask her about why she does it and what she gets out of it. I might speculate about that privately, but as her manager I need to remain professional. Whereas if she was my peer and had engaged me an unwanted conversation I might have more reason to ask those questions.

I have to say that I haven't had to do much of this sort of managing. New systems, new processes, routine issues like holidays and hours sick leave, no problem. But most people have been here for several years and seem well-integrated and able to get along without much feather-ruffling.

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Mumofoneandone · 19/07/2024 14:07

Follow your policies and you can't go far wrong!
At least she is still in probation and more straight forward to remove.
Just keep a record of behaviour you spot to back you up.
Hope your manager does take this seriously.

GrumpyPanda · 19/07/2024 14:07

Germainesays · 19/07/2024 13:28

This sounds awful — and yes, I do understand.

I've just had to intervene. She stopped one of her colleagues and asked if they'd done anything interesting the night before. They said they'd been to see a film. Problem colleague wanted to know what film and who she'd been with and I could see the established colleague freeze up a bit because she barely knows the new colleague and she asked her questions in a very insinuating way. Established colleague said 'Oh, just a friend' and the new colleague said 'Oh, just a friend, eh, nudge nudge, wink wink' Established colleague laughed in an uncomfortable way and tried to walk away and new colleague reached out and put a hand on her arm to stop her and said 'Oh, go on, tell me. I hope you went home afterwards and had a good time' and she elbowed her to make her point.

I walked across and asked my established colleague whether she'd completed a task, giving her an excuse to get away, and was able to give new colleague a stern look and suggest she got on with some work. Her response was 'Oh, you always ruin the fun, hahahaha.'

She is constantly talking about sex. She's worse than any man. I wish I wasn't her manager because then I'd be able to ask her why she turns everything into sexual banter, but obviously I can't do that.

That's straight-up sexual harassment, doesn't matter if it's coming from a woman. Probably worth reporting.

HelplessSoul · 19/07/2024 14:20

Shes getting away with all this behaviour because you are not a good manager.

You need to enact performance and disciplinary proceedings immediately - why are you pussyfooting around with this person?

Get her fired!!!

Germainesays · 19/07/2024 14:35

I'm probably not a great manager, but I'm as good as many of the managers I've ever been managed and very much better than some.

I work for a small (under 150 employees) organisation that muddles along with a part-time HR person and managers recruited internally. In my time managing this little department we've had nothing that would require performance or disciplinary procedures. My main role is training and maintaining quality of output.

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Collexifon · 19/07/2024 14:37

The feelings you are getting are transference. She reminds you of someone or something from your past.

The touching thing isn't pleasant, just set firm boundaries.