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Can't bear the creepy new assistant

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Germainesays · 12/07/2024 14:02

I'm embarrassed to admit this because I've worked in offices for decades and coped with all sorts of people, but there's something about the new assistant that makes my skin crawl and sets off my fight/ flight response. I've tried rising above, I've tried avoiding and throwing a metaphorical protective shield around me, but after a month, when I hoped things would have settled down and I'd have been able to overcome my response to her, I feel even more 'Aaaaagh, get her away from me' than ever before. I'm female, by the way. Reading this back I realised that it might look as if I'm male.

I try to be an appropriately open and friendly colleague. I try to keep things professional, non-gossipy but cordial and polite. I seem to get on fine with most people.

The new woman is very intrusive. I've watched her in action and she picks up on little things people say and prods and interrogates them until they tell her more than they are comfortable with. She's a gossip and uses information she's gathered to spark dramas and stir things up. She has several times told me things that apparently my colleagues have said hoping, I suspect, for a response from me. I've ignored but a couple of people have been lured into the game and there's been tension.

In my very first conversation with her she was clearly fishing regarding office politics and personal stuff and it's gone on in the same vein — all too personal, too nosy. She finds sexual innuendo in the most benign remark and is constantly making physical contact. Earlier this week I had to sit beside her while talking her through a process on the computer. She moved her chair so that she was squashed up hard against me: not just brushing me occasionally, but snuggled up into me from shoulder to hip, with her thigh against mine. I moved my chair away and said 'We're at work, please give me some space' and she said 'Oh, you're one of those who don't like human contact, are you?' She also comes too close when speaking to people: she literally gets in peoples' faces and touches them — I've seen her grab someone's arm and then not let go when it's clear they want to step away.

I'm not the only person to be struggling with her and there have been quiet exchanges with other colleagues and eyes rolled. But I seem to be the most triggered by her and don't feel that I want to spend the last couple of years of my working life in her presence. I know it sounds ridiculous but it's a very strong, visceral response that I can't control.

I've never had to approach management about anything like this before and am scared of being accused of prejudice or being told I'm unreasonable and to get over it. What do I say? What do I ask for? What happens when someone who's been in post several years, without issues, goes to a manager and says they can't work with a new team member?

PS We worked from home during Covid but have been back in the office 4 days out of five for the last year. I could ask for an extra day wfh, I suppose, but as I'm in a supervisory position I'm not sure it would be granted.

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Germainesays · 25/07/2024 10:55

Just to update if anyone's still interested. I had a short meeting with my manager late yesterday afternoon. I took the line recommended here that the new colleague hadn't integrated well with the existing team and there were tensions becoming apparent. I gave him a written listen of concerns including accuracy and speed and the fact that she was bringing inappropriate sexual conversation into the office. He asked for examples and as I'd half-expected, he thought it was all very amusing. I said actually, I needed him to take it seriously before someone bought a case against us for not intervening in a situation where there was sexual harassment.

I had to show him the relevant paragraphs in the four-sides of A4 document that constitutes our company handbook. I also pointed out a couple of areas where I think the handbook actually has things that are wrong or out of date and suggested it needed to be revised. He did stop laughing and is arranging a meeting for us both with the HR person next week. So nothing is going to happen quickly, and I am still internally flinching each time I come within a few feet of the new colleague, but I don't feel quite so out of my depth about the situation. I've taken a couple of management/ HR books out of the library and have been reading them. I can see how poor the company is on this kind of policy. I can also see how hopeless my manager is on these sort of things, which doesn't give me a lot of confidence. But we'll see.

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WildUnknown · 25/07/2024 11:49

Well, that's a step in the right direction

Shame he found it so funny though

Theothername · 25/07/2024 11:57

You handled that superbly. Well done on your preparation and for shutting down the inappropriate response.

Keep taking notes of anything else that happens.

Germainesays · 25/07/2024 12:02

Thanks for your support. I'll update if/ when anything happens.

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PoodlesRUs · 25/07/2024 12:30

@Germainesays well done how well you handled the situation and your own manager!

Germainesays · 25/07/2024 12:40

I think my summary probably sounds more impressive than I was, but the advice to write my concerns up with bullet points and make it about performance and company policy rather than it being about feelings and personalities was very helpful. He wanted to know what kind of things she was saying that could be described as inappropriately sexual and of course out of context it all sounded ridiculous and very petty, but I think I did manage to get through to him that tone of voice and provocative body language and the excessive touching all played their part in making it inappropriate. But he's a man and I really don't think he thinks that a woman coming out with a stream of innuendo is offensive. He seems more bothered that she's touching people, because he's had the training and knows that touching people can get you into trouble.

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FictionalCharacter · 25/07/2024 13:00

Germainesays · 25/07/2024 12:40

I think my summary probably sounds more impressive than I was, but the advice to write my concerns up with bullet points and make it about performance and company policy rather than it being about feelings and personalities was very helpful. He wanted to know what kind of things she was saying that could be described as inappropriately sexual and of course out of context it all sounded ridiculous and very petty, but I think I did manage to get through to him that tone of voice and provocative body language and the excessive touching all played their part in making it inappropriate. But he's a man and I really don't think he thinks that a woman coming out with a stream of innuendo is offensive. He seems more bothered that she's touching people, because he's had the training and knows that touching people can get you into trouble.

And she’s done more than touch, she’s held on to someone’s arm and not let go when they were trying to get away, and she’s stuck her arm out to stop someone getting past her. This is not trivial.

Have you had training in managing people? If not you’d definitely benefit, even if it’s just a short course. Your company doesn’t sound great at this sort of thing but is it something you feel you could suggest?

Germainesays · 25/07/2024 13:56

It's become clear to me that I need more training in the people-management side of things. I think that probably goes for every manager in the business. Being trained up to manage people could be really useful, particularly if I need to change jobs and could have it on my CV. I can but ask the HR woman.

One of the things I'm thinking about is that I have no evidence to back up my assertion that she has grabbed people and held onto them. It may be that others would corroborate my account of things, but at the moment no one is willing to say anything. Two people have had a quick word with me off the record to grumble about her but no one wants to make a formal complaint. I need to discuss the way forward with the HR woman. I hope she knows what she's doing.

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MrHarleyQuin · 25/07/2024 14:01

Start a disciplinary process and manage her out.

toucaninjapan · 16/08/2024 03:57

How did it go in the end @Germainesays ?

bert3400 · 16/08/2024 04:24

I'm invested and following.

27Bumblebees · 16/08/2024 04:43

Also invested. What's the update?

There's a woman in my community who gives me the heebie jeebies, she's loose friends with some of my friends. I've only ever met her at the pub when she's happened to be there, is always drunk, and joins our group. She's so touchy, loud and immature, and last time she wriggled behind me on the sofa I was sitting on and had her hands all over my bum and back. It was awful. I moved pretty quickly and told my friends, but I now avoid her. Apparently she's alright when sober but I won't be giving any time to find out. So gross.

Secradonugh · 16/08/2024 04:48

Used to manage people as part of my job as a technical manager and had a similar issue. I'm Male and had a male who was touchy feely and sexual innuendo. You really need statements from yourself and others, taken by HR, not you. I rejected him at interview stage but was overruled by my manager because...'wouldn't it be good to employ a member of lgbt?' I don't give a sh#! What someone preferences are, it's all about the skills.
Anyway, my manager (F) wouldn't take my concern seriously.HR didn't know what to do. So as an employee in a small business of 180 staff I spoke to the directors. Directors didn't want to be sued (their words) for allowing this to occur so they hired an external company to help our hr. And yes we ended up getting rid of the person, and yes the employee tried to claim I was homophonic and took us to an employment tribunal and they lost, and got an earful.
Unfortunately I feel we were lucky that the directors took it very seriously, but the whole point of me saying this is that the most important thing the external hr team taught me is that I cannot and mustn't be involved in the process of trying to gather proof. If I did then we would loose if it went to court. I was technically a victim and a witness. The other thing was to not put forward anything which could be seen as a personal opinion rather than a professional pointing out the employee handbook.

W0tnow · 16/08/2024 04:56

She’s within her probationary period, don’t make it harder than it needs to be. You feel like she is going to be counterproductive to the team. Team members have come to you to say the same thing. She’s made mistakes she shouldn’t have made. That should be all your manager needs to cut her employment well before the probationary period ends. You have the luxury of having no obligation to implement performance plans.

Probationary periods are an opportunity to acknowledge your mistake and cut your losses before it gets too hard. Use it!

Fraaahnces · 16/08/2024 06:17

She sounds like a female Benny Hill… unbearable. I would find working with anyone who behaved like this unbearably triggering. I would hope that HR would have my back if I made a complaint, but can imagine being reluctant to trust them should I need to say something about a woman.

daisychain01 · 16/08/2024 06:33

She doesn't need to be "managed out".

She needs to be invited to a meeting and told that she is being given a week's statutory notice (referring her to her contract of employment) and that she unfortunately hasn't fitted into the company culture. Refer to the long list of her inappropriate behaviour and that her work is not up to standard. Keep it polite and factual. Thank you and goodbye.

there is no need to take her through any formal process after such a short time. Even beyond probation, right up to 2 year's, this approach is perfectly legal. If there had been a declaration of a disability, that still doesn't need to be an impediment, with that raft of evidence about her inappropriate behaviour. Arguably an established employee could take issue with management not taking action to stop this problem person from harassing them!

CormorantStrikesBack · 16/08/2024 06:59

I’m also curious as to whether she’s still working there.

HopelesslyWanderingStar · 16/08/2024 07:33

This is such an interesting thread. Do keep us updated. She sounds awful

Plodding24 · 16/08/2024 07:34

I am in this situation and the team feel the same way. I have reported her, but her manager says she is happy with her. I am desperately trying to leave now. She was an internal hire so no new probation period. I'm a really good employee, but it will really affect me if I have to stay working with her. Such a shame.

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