Part time hours and bank holiday Mondays

[Chicchicchicchiclana]

Hello, can someone advise?

I currently work part time (4 hours per day 4 days per week = 16 hours total). My days off are the weekends and one regular set day during the week.

I want to ask my employer if I can change my day off to Mondays.

Does that mean that my salary will go up slightly? So, some of my regular weekly days off will now be bank holiday Mondays which I will be paid for?

Does anyone understand what I mean? Even writing it down I'm getting confused.

Part time workers get the same Bank holidays as full time but reduced for the correct hours.

So 40h full time gets paid for 8
20h part time gets paid for 4 etc

Your pay should be exactly the same and same holidays it doesn’t make a difference.

No, annual leave including bank holidays will already be part of your salary. You should have more flexibility on when to take your leave if you don't work Mondays.

Aros is correct - your pay will be unchanged, but you'll have more flexibility re when to take time off.

Different employers work bank holidays differently.

My last employer's policy was that you only got bank holidays off if you normally worked them.

My current employer rolls them up into your annual entitlement pro-rata'd. So if you work a Monday you get less bookable holiday.

Either way it wouldn't effect pay. Just maybe how much holiday you can book off. .

Your pay will stay exactly the same. You’re not going to get paid for bank holidays you weren’t due to work anyway.

You will have a bit more flexibility with holiday entitlement as you won’t need to use up as many holiday days for bank holidays.

So if you're only going to work 4 days per week, avoid having Mondays off at all costs?

Why would you need to avoid having Mondays off?

@Chicchicchicchiclana

So if you're only going to work 4 days per week, avoid having Mondays off at all costs?

Only if you're in a job that has bank holidays off. I work in a 365 day role so it makes no difference. In fact it can be advantageous to work a Monday as bank holidays may attract a pay premium.

If you work in a job that is closed on bank holidays and you work Mondays then you have to save four holiday days out if your entitlement.

If you don’t usually work Mondays then you can take those four days whoever you want.

Take Monday off. When I worked 3 days a week and had Friday off, my adjusted bank holiday 'allowance' didn't always cover all the BH Mondays so I had to dip into standard annual leave.
My colleague who had Mondays off was rolling in holidays as she didn't have to use any BH allowance or annual leave to cover it, as it was already her day off.
I'm not sure any of that made sense, but if I could choose my day off again, I would always choose Monday.

You will still be working16 hours a week so pay will remain the same.

If you work Mondays and your work doesn’t operate on bank holidays, you have to use your holiday allowance for those days.

If you don’t work Mondays, you won’t get paid for them. But you can choose what days to take as holiday rather than having to take time off for bank holiday Mondays.

I work for a large employer with lots of part time staff. Bank holidays are managed by part time staff having to do the same percentage of hours as full time. So a week with one bank holiday is an 80% week. Full timers do 80% of their hours, part timers do 80% of their hours.

@Chicchicchicchiclana

So if you're only going to work 4 days per week, avoid having Mondays off at all costs?

No, avoid working Mondays. Because then you have to use up holiday days when there’s a bank holiday. By having Mondays off, you get the same amount of paid leave, but have to use less of it for bank holidays so you can choose it instead.

@Chicchicchicchiclana

So if you're only going to work 4 days per week, avoid having Mondays off at all costs?

No it does not mean that, you holiday allowance will be adjusted to reflect that you don’t work on Mondays - or rather it does if you tend to think of annual leave and bank holidays separately as many people do.

But in fact it should be looked at altogether and in offices people that do normally work Mondays are instructed that they need to use part of their annual allowance on bank holidays. You will get to use your holiday allowance whenever you want.

Your pay will stay the same. But your AL will be more flexible. For example. If a full time worker has 20 days Al plus 8 bh, they have the bh off and take the 20 days when they want.
For part timers, your AL is calculated by 20+8/5 days x 4 days (in your case). Any normal days that fall on a BH you have to take from your AL allowance. So if you don’t work Mondays, you have more flex to use your AL allowance on other days.

Part time workers are supposed to be treated no less favourably than full time, with all benefits just reduced pro-rata for time worked. It shouldn't matter what days you work if your employers are obeying the law.

If a full time worker normally works 40 hours a week and gets 27 days of annual leave plus 8 bank holiday days (total 35 days of paid leave a year which is 280 paid working hours per year) then a part time worker who works 16 hours a week (0.4fte) should get 0.4x280 paid working hours per year = 112 paid working hours. It shouldn't matter what days your 16 hours are worked on, or whether they are worked across 2, 3, 4 or 5 days. If it does then your employers are treating part time workers less favourably which is illegal.

Can I piggyback on this thread to ask bank holiday question. Working in NHS and bank holiday entitlement is pro rata and added on to annual entitlement. Our particular team are not commissioned to cover bank holidays or weekends. So my question is, if on a bank holiday, everyone who normally works that day has A/L deducted, what happens to someone off sick whose absence straddles the bank holiday( or several bank hols) Do they have the hours deducted like rest of team or keep them to use another day.

@vdbfamily

Can I piggyback on this thread to ask bank holiday question. Working in NHS and bank holiday entitlement is pro rata and added on to annual entitlement. Our particular team are not commissioned to cover bank holidays or weekends. So my question is, if on a bank holiday, everyone who normally works that day has A/L deducted, what happens to someone off sick whose absence straddles the bank holiday( or several bank hols) Do they have the hours deducted like rest of team or keep them to use another day.

No because in that situation any Bank Holidays are taken “as they fall” and so cannot be claimed back.

@vdbfamily I disagree with the other poster. You accrue annual leave including bank holidays when on mat leave as you cannot be on two kinds of leave at a time, so the legal precedent has been set that you cannot be on AL (I work for NHS and we take AL to cover public holidays) and sick leave at the same time.
You might have to get your Union involved but that is how the new rules have been interpreted at my work.

It is so confusing. It is not me but a member of my team. He was already just finished a phased return and working short days to use up all the accrued A/L whilst of and then was off again for the week that included the 3 Christmas B/H' s and it just somehow felt wrong that everyone else had them deducted as we were not contacted to work those days but he got them added back which gives him so much leave that he can barely get through it all. One person in HR says he accrues it and another that it is deducted. Maybe a union rep would be a good person to ask. You would think there would be a clear answer and in fact Rosterpro would probably explode if you tried to put an A/L day in middle of sickness episode so I suspect Nico is correct.

Does your service usually close on Bank Holidays?

If you take it as sick then the days get added to your sick leave total instead which adds up against you potentially.

I agree it is confusing.

You do still accrue annual leave when on sick leave, that just means your usual entitlement continues to build up, depending on wider circumstances that doesn’t necessarily mean getting whole days added back on to your annual leave total.

takingthebiscuit if that question is for me then yes, we do not cover weekends or bank holidays.

Yes @vdbfamily

As whether the service is actually open and what hours people are contracted for can affect some of the rules around Bank Holidays and annual leave.