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Nhs redeployment

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BigMouthBear · 14/04/2018 18:43

Does anyone know anything about nhs redeployment? I'm meant to be going back after mat leave but I just can't face it. He bullying is terrible. Can hr redeploy me?

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BigMouthBear · 14/04/2018 19:38

Please can someone help

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AndromedaPerseus · 14/04/2018 19:42

You can apply for different jobs before you’re due back speak to HR on Monday to discuss your options. If you really hate it you only need to go back for 3 months to get your mat leave pay and annual leave accumulation counts as part of 3months. One of my colleagues accumulated a months worth of leave and ended up coming back for 2 months before leaving for good.

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BigMouthBear · 14/04/2018 19:43

I can't go back there

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BrownTurkey · 14/04/2018 19:46

Ask to see occupational health, assuming you haven’t already (not sure what stage you are). I am not sure what is best, perhaps someone else will advise, but I would tell them you think your health will suffer again if you return to the job. My friend was redeployed in NHS and her pay was protected for a set period (6 months? Maybe more) and then she went to the lower rate (her new job was admin, not clinical, so paid less). I am sorry you have experienced bullying, I think you are making a good call to ask to move.

missyB1 · 14/04/2018 19:47

OP is there anyone you trust at work that you can talk to about this? If not then make an appointment to see someone from HR.
I was in the NHS for 26 years, the bullying can be awful.

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BigMouthBear · 14/04/2018 19:52

I don't trust any of them

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wormery · 14/04/2018 19:55

I would go and see occy health, have you got a GP who could write a letter on your behalf saying the bullying is causing you anxiety and depression and redeployment should be considered, alternatively can you apply for a different job at the same trust so you don't have to pay back your mat entitlement.

mummabubs · 14/04/2018 19:59

I wish I could offer advice OP. I work in the NHS and in my most recent post I witnessed events that compromised patient safety and was encouraged to whistleblow, which I did. Unfortunately my anonymity wasn't maintained and the person I'd raised concerns about was told it was me that had. There were dignity at work issues with them already but it became a million times worse and I was signed off on sick leave (I was pregnant at the time). I'm still on maternity leave now and was so, so scared of having to go back that I spent the first few months of my baby's life not enjoying it as I was just counting down in my head to when I had to go back. Thankfully I've managed to find another nhs post in another trust so won't be going back but given my experience of my trust I didn't feel supported at all and wouldn't have accepted redeployment. Can you call someone in HR anonymously and discuss your options? X

FreshPacket · 14/04/2018 20:09

Do you belong to the RCN? You can get representation to report the bullying. That is not acceptable. With your union behind you nobody will dare to do anything illegal. You're protected to a large degree and so they could advise you about moving elsewhere, although HR and your managers may suddenly become very helpful once the union are backing you.

Sorry you're experiencing this.

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BigMouthBear · 15/04/2018 14:18

I've phoned rcn today and someone is phoning me back tomorrow. Ideally I just want to be redeployed tbh

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FreshPacket · 15/04/2018 23:09

They'll hopefully know what they're dealing with and help point you in the right direction. All the best

maxelly · 16/04/2018 15:31

Have you put in a formal complaint about the bullying? Most NHS HR departments in my experience won't consider redeployment before you've done this, and they will probably want to complete an investigation into the bullying first as well - although you might be able to be redeployed temporarily while the investigation is happening, or better yet, the person who is doing the bullying could be redeployed instead as in theory it's better to move the (alleged) bully rather than the victim/complainant. Although in practice if the bully is someone senior/very specialist it can be difficult to redeploy them and the complainant ends up getting moved instead. I would have a read of your trust's bullying/harassment/dignity at work policy and see what it says about temporary and permanent redeployment (your union rep should know what it's called in your trust and where to find a copy).

I assume from the mention of the RCN you are a nurse? If so this could make things easier (depending on your grade and speciality), if there are a lot of vacancies in your trust in other wards or departments they may be more amenable to simply moving you or you may be able to apply to a vacancy as an internal candidate (although there are no guarantees, it will vary depending on the trust). Your union representative should know the situation and processes at your trust and be able to advise you on putting in a complaint or request to HR/management.

Good luck and hope you were able to speak to someone today.

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BigMouthBear · 16/04/2018 15:58

I haven't made a formal complaint yet. The issue is most of this stuff has been said to me with no witness or even whispered in my ear! It's pathetic

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Floralnomad · 16/04/2018 16:02

As you phoned the RCN I assume you are a nurse , could you see if working on the staff bank would allow you to not have to pay your maternity pay back and if so hand in your notice and sign up to the bank , that way you can get some work ( if you want it ) whilst looking for another job .

maxelly · 16/04/2018 16:29

I sympathise, most bullies are clever enough to not do their worst in front of witnesses and/or to keep what they say publicly just on the right line of inappropriate, so it can be really difficult to formulate a complaint that doesn't descend into 'he said she said'. But you don't have to prove 'beyond reasonable' doubt to have your complaint upheld, so you shouldn't let lack of witnesses or written evidence put you off if you have concrete examples of bullying, it should still be taken very seriously... what did your RCN rep think about putting in a complaint, will they support you?

Unfortunately many bullying cases do end up getting put down, to a greater or lesser extent, to 'relationship problems' or 'fault on both sides' which can be really difficult, so I can understand your preference to simply try and move on. You might want to take a look at NHS Jobs to see what vacancies are available in your trust or others nearby? Nursing jobs are usually quite plentiful although obviously harder if you are very specialist or need particular hours/shifts... As others have said you only have to do 3 months (some of which can be annual leave) in order to not repay your mat. pay. Bank work or agency could then be an option which would give you more flexibility?

Gwythr · 16/04/2018 21:02

The phrase redeployment implies that your job is at risk and you would be prioritised for other positions based on this.
If your just aiming to change jobs before going back, if you stay with your trust, but a different job I'm not sure you would be forced to pay any mat leave back? Might be worth asking if this is a good alternative

mummabubs · 16/04/2018 23:04

You don't even have to stay within your trust OP, I'm moving trusts and as long as you're still employed by the nhs you don't have to repay occ mat pay x

TittyGolightly · 16/04/2018 23:07

Maxelly is right. (I’m senior HR in the NHS - we don’t redeploy people unless there’s a bloody good reason to.)

TittyGolightly · 16/04/2018 23:08

The phrase redeployment implies that your job is at risk and you would be prioritised for other positions based on this.

Not only job at risk. redeployement can happen for medical reasons, if a grievance is investigated and upheld....

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