negotiating payscale with HR - new job - shall I say exact amounts?

[charlottenina]

got a new job in the same category that I work at the moment - new job offered a lower salary ( it is a close to home job, so still prefer this new job). My old job has just offered me a payrise as incentive to keep me in the position. Want to write to HR of a new job - will ask if they could keep me on the same scale that I have at the moment in my old job. will also mention a proposed payrise in my old job - shall I mention in numbers how much the old job offer me or shall I just say "payrise"and not disclose how much they offered me? would appreciate thoughts. thank you.

If you were happy with the original offer before current employer offered a payrise, why not say you've been offered a X% payrise, can they match it?
I think you should only mention one of
current salary
payrise offered
total new package

More than that will sounds grabby.

I am sure they will not match the payrise offer as it is too big difference between what they offered and what my increase would be ... shall I just say to match my present salary. The job was advertised as a low salary bracket... so they might just say that when I applied - I know what I was going into? or is it still possible to negotiate?

I was more thinking, Company has offered my a 5% payrise to keep me, can you do anything to the pay package, rather than my new salary is now 50,000, rather than the 20,000 you have offered me.

Are you certain HR are the best people to be negotiating with? I would have thought the recruiting manager, the one who decided they wanted you, might be a better bet as they have a vested interest in getting you.

Nothing to be lost by asking - they can only say no and then you're in no worse position.

Are you sure you want to give up earning potential to be closer to home? You're destroying your lifetime earning potential for the sake of short term convenience.