Where did the 'fact' that puberty blockers are reversible come from?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/great-ormond-street-hospital-150-gender-guidance-2023-ggzz3jptn

This is concerning. GOSH staff being ‘trained’ to believe that concerns for puberty blockers are fake issues. WTAF

”Under a section about “allyship”, the document said that people should “know the fake issues” including “de-transition, rest rooms, puberty blockers”.“

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I'd been (quite rightly) pulled up on my words by a couple of comments so I was just calling it out again, within the context of my post.

WTAF indeed.

I'm wondering what safeguards are in place to stop a hospital that isn't fit for purpose (where the requirements have been laid out by Dr Cass, in the NHS-commissioned review) being awarded the contract. Or if they've already been awarded it, being allowed to continue on and deliver it.

It's got echos of that time that someone who was friends with someone nearly got awarded a massive (millions of pounds) contract to run ferries/ships (can't remember which), despite not owning a single ferry/ship. Only this time the outcome of the contract going ahead would be a lot more sinister because we'd likely be right back to where we were when the Cass Review was commissioned.

One branch of discussion about it:

https://twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1695357134391648612?t=M4LOaoYyZo7k-Gc3930zDA&s=19

And as a follow up to the GOSH training, maybe this is apt too.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/transgender-psychologist-hubris-blame-harmful-industry-standards-treatment-minors

Transgender psychologist warns of ‘emotional blackmail’ used by colleagues in their treatment of minors

”Despite belief among some of her colleagues in the industry that "the distress that kids experience is all due to gender issues," Anderson said she rarely sees that to be the case. She said cases where a child is gender questioning are "quite simple" and in her experience, "rare."
"We need to explore the course of this gender journey on the part of the young person and find out, is it occurring because of their own organic awareness of who they are, or is it in part because they realize that a lot of other kids are doing this and why shouldn't they?" Anderson asked.”

It is not necessarily new, Anderson has been raising alarms before. But I notice the alarms are getting more and more solid and louder now. More certain in language and directness.

@stickygotstuck I am no doctor, but I doubt most children only take blockers for a few months. Precocious puberty for girls is defined as a girl starting puberty before the age of 8. Let's say a girl has their first period aged 7 or 8, then they would take blockers until they are developmentally in line with their peers, so they would take blockers until they are 10 or 11. There is no point in taking blockers for just a few months, because periods usually restart soon (some as early as 1 month) after no longer taking blockers.

Girls suffering from precocious puberty who don't take blockers have an increased risk of anxiety, depression, negative body image/eating disorders, substance abuse, lower academic achievement, suicidal thoughts, early sexual activity. These girls don't just experience puberty physically but also mentally, which often causes a lot of problems, eg. risk taking behaviours at a very early age. So there are risks either way.

Haven’t RTFT but I had to respond to this.

NO MEDICINE IS TOTALLY SAFE

Wolfparty had already discovered through reading that they cause adverse effects. Medicine is always about weighing up risk of benefit vs risk of harm.

I think people confuse ‘reversible’ with ‘if you take this for a while then stop it will be as if you had never taken it’. What is actually meant is when you take it the medication stops a particular process in the body, but when you stop taking it the action to stop that process also stops. The impact of having stopped that process is not undone. So puberty may no longer be blocked but if the window has passed then it has passed. A bit like the contraceptive pill stops the process that enables you to conceive but if you stop taking it at 55 you won’t get pregnant.

I am no doctor, but I doubt most children only take blockers for a few months. Precocious puberty for girls is defined as a girl starting puberty before the age of 8. Let's say a girl has their first period aged 7 or 8, then they would take blockers until they are developmentally in line with their peers, so they would take blockers until they are 10 or 11.

You are right, you are not a doctor. Precocious puberty is puberty starting before the age of 8. It is perfectly normal for girls to start puberty around age 8 or 9.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M4X_ZpnYdC8&pp=ygUTZ2VuZGVyIGEgd2lkZXIgbGVucw%3D%3D

Just watched this. Very interesting on how difficult it has been to get the American Association of Pediatrics to carry out a review into the efficacy of puberty blockers as a treatment for gender dysphoria. Every country that's done a proper review has severely restricted their use. The US has been resisting this for years but has recently agreed to do the review. I mean, why resist if there's no adverse effects?