sorry, inoffensive.

MAYA A WONDERFUL WOMAN CALLED MAYA

At some point I lost the a at the end of Maya.

I've just caught up with a chunk of this thread post Robin's flounce that I'd missed. I just want to say I love you all you mad witches.

Have cauldron, will travel (via broomstick obvs). So glad DH has final relented re cat ownership and I will be in full witch mode again later this year.

Very good from Bindel. I especially liked this bit, because it's exactly how I feel on the topic of men's feelings being hurt when they're not allowed in women's spaces:

I don't care

I'm putting Julie's 'I don't care' with Kemi's 'No'. Love 'em both for those.

Yep. Classics.

Julie's 'I don't care' had echoes of Germaine Greer's from this interview with Kirsty Wark 7 years ago (at the end, 6 mins ish)

How GG didn't swear more I have no idea, I found Kirsty's approach way over the top.

Such brilliant unashamed honesty from Julie

’I hope this ends Nicola Sturgeon’s career’

me too

The thing TRAs always get wrong when they equate keeping male people out of female spaces with segregation based on racism or sexism, is that black people didn't want white institutions and society opened up to them because they wanted to be white, and women didn't want male institutions and society opened up to women because they wanted to be male. Nor was it because they particularly wanted the company of white, or male people, either.

They wanted to be there because that's where the power was. Because that's where decisions that affected their lives were being made, without them.

That's why these analogies, even if you believe some level of TWAW, don't stack up. Because womanhood, and women's spaces, are not a seat of power. In excluding male people from female spaces male people are disadvantaged nothing other than loss of access to female people.

Yet again, it comes down to trans ideologists' misunderstanding of womanhood as being simply what they see on the surface.

To a genderist, if it looks the same, then it is the same. If it's not fair to have white-only spaces, or male-only institutions, then it's not fair for spaces or institutions or opportunities to be female only either.

The context behind these provisions , the journey to get there both in terms of our society's evolving place for women and the journey of female people from birth to womanhood within that society, is unseen and therefore not factored in at all.

Thanks so much for digging out this clip- I couldn’t remember where GG said this.

I ❤️ her. What a delightfully sweary embodiment of defiance she is. So real and charismatic.

She's another 'gives no fucks' goddess and from years back, too, way before I had any awareness of what was going on.

I liked her 'try being an old woman!' retort to 'you're being hurtful towards them' or some such remark.

GG was one of the first women taken down in this fight. There was no support for her outside the feminist blogs and forums that were talking about this stuff too. She was just hung out to dry. Always makes me sad to think about that.

Here's a share token for the article about RMW mentioned earlier:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c8837b85-8970-4ee6-8385-62ac20671408?shareToken=5e237791178654a7bff839b55d3aa9400_

Grew his hair and wore nail varnish it says, and Lo! He was a she and walked on the wild side; only with the same voice 'cos £££.

She’ll be fully vindicated in the end

I just hope it happens in her lifetime

The thing TRAs always get wrong when they equate keeping male people out of female spaces with segregation based on racism or sexism, is that black people didn't want white institutions and society opened up to them because they wanted to be white, and women didn't want male institutions and society opened up to women because they wanted to be male. Nor was it because they particularly wanted the company of white, or male people, either.

They wanted to be there because that's where the power was. Because that's where decisions that affected their lives were being made, without them.

That's why these analogies, even if you believe some level of TWAW, don't stack up. Because womanhood, and women's spaces, are not a seat of power. In excluding male people from female spaces male people are disadvantaged nothing other than loss of access to female people.

@FlirtsWithRhinos

Thank you for articulating this so clearly. I have tried and failed to in RL conversations!

“I think there are some differences between male and female advocates but I have always tried to borrow what you might call more female techniques such as controlling by silence, waiting for people to finish.”

Well that is certainly an imaginative spin on women ‘not being able to get a word in edgewise’.

I've never seen this before. It's a brilliant interview. God all these woman giving no fucks, not that GG ever has.

These are what strong successful intelligent women, who know their subject LOOK like Robin.

We haven't judged any of their interviews lacking. All to the point. No obfuscation of details, no eliciting of sympathies, no pussyfooting around. This is what i know this is what i think about that.

MEN ARE NOT WOMEN. MEN SHOULD NOT BE IN SINGLE SEX FEMALE SPACES. NOT ONE SINGLE MAN.

Yes JB and GG.

Here is part of a section of Sarah Brown’s contribution to Trans Britain where SB talks about targeting JB and the other photo is where Fox Fisher talks about targeting GG.

The true trans test. So you can't be a convicted rapist. But doesnt having a penis mean you have the potential to rape which a woman cannot? It's almost like having a penis is a big stumbling block to the whole woman thing.

Anyway, gender woo is so like a religion and one could pontificate all day every day to make sense of it's dogma, bit like theologians.

And real life laws should not be based on a niche ideology.

But JB didn't get taken down. GG did. JB told Paris Lees that men could be lesbians and I guess she managed to manipulate/finagle her way through - maybe had better support in real life. GG just spoke the truth and she was un-personed and has barely been heard from since.

As did i

It’s Germaine’s birthday today…that’s why I thought the ‘I don’t care’ was very apt and I knew JB was going to say it. Happy BD to GG! And I’ll raise a glass tonight to all the wonderful women fighting this.