Is this acceptable in a school?

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A friend of mine is a teacher in an all boys school. He was showing a group of pupils some of the football and was fast-forwarding to get to the action. The camera lingered on some pretty girls in the crowd (you know the ones they normally pick!) and the pupils demanded that he go back so they could get a proper look. He obliged, but commented that if there had been a single girl in the classroom, he wouldn't have.

Obviously this was a pretty minor incident, but do you think it was fine (and if so, would it have also been fine if there had been girls present?), or is it encouraging the sexual objectification of women? Or anything else?

What are your thoughts?

Oh dear Imperator, you need to disguise yourself a bit better than that.

Do you think that by pretending to be a woman and a mother, you'll be more succesful with trying to convince us all how very wrong we are?

ROFL at this nonsense.

I honestly don't think they're the same person. Imperator can do spelling and punctuation. MsGoddess joined today and is all over Mumsnet starting threads and trying to wind people up. I'm not saying she's a troll, of course....

Talks like a man though, don't you think?

And has the same helpless slide into pomposity...

ROFL at feminism alienating those with less extreme opinions.

Because it's so frightfully extreme to consider women to be full human beings.

Oh it's too funny

NG just come back in and catching up and wanted to answer your question.

I suppose in my imagination there was a difference between an entire class-full of boys shouting/asking/heckling/whatever for a tape to be rewound, and a couple of girls from a tutor group who are being allowed to use someone's computer (and would presumably not be as rowdy as an entire class) looking at whatever and one of the things they look at is a picture of a bloke.

They feel like completely different scenarios to me.

The second point is from this:

"But they will want to look at pretty girls. How do you come down heavily on the leering without making them feel guilty for normal behaviour? "

Looking and leering are completely different. It is perfectly possible to look at attractive people without leering, millions of people manage it every day. Anyone can manage to look at attractive poeple without leering/leching/staring/being creepy about it.

The contrasting top off/not top off thing is due to female clothes generally being much more figure hugging than mens - if the boys wanted to leer then my guess is that they were not dressed in sacks. Mens clothing is generally very baggy and so the "leer potential" only really kicks in when the men shed their clothing.

yes, probably a man . S/he mansplains very well for a woman.

Just caught up with the rest.

Since when were women not visually stimulated?

What on earth do people think girls are getting out of looking at all these pictures of zac ephron? They're not thinking about his bank balance, now, are they

NG also just saw that you said you had put forward an alternative scenario.

I do not think that your scenarios are equivalent. Male of female teacher rewinding tape so children can perv - no. A couple of students of either sex in classroom in breaktime using laptop and looking up (amongst other things) fully-clad publicity shots of current teen "pin ups" - not the end of the world.

And the bollocks about men being more visual than women and women not wanting to objectify men.

The sight of pecs has no impact on me whatsoever, no no, none at all. Or shoulders, or arms, or chests, or backs, or arses, or thighs - I am not remotely interested in what men's bodies are like, I decide who I shag solely on the basis of how much money and status they have.

Funny how it's always men not blessed with gorgeous bodies, who tell women that they aren't visual. I've never yet met a woman who wasn't visual in that sense, but still these mansplainers will insist on telling us that we don't want to objectify them, when what they really mean, is that a) they don't want to be objectified and b) they have no pecs.

Who is man-hating?

Who is anti-porn?

You have no idea about the views of the array of individual women who post on this topic.

"You think man hating and anti porn isn't alienating?"

Well, most of the men I've slept with haven't been into porn (the one who has was the worst fuck I ever had, but I draw no conclusions from that) and they didn't seem to be alienated.

And er, where's the man hating on this thread? I don't recall anyone saying they hated men. Some of us are really very fond of them - particularly the ones with pecs.

"Because women are emotive idiot who can't think rationally."

Are you talking about yourself MsGoddess, what with you being a good looking woman and mother?

Just noticed that MsGoddess has started a thread arguing for the legalisation of prostitution in the Politics forum today.

What exactly are you getting out of the these exchanges, if they're not meant to wind people up?

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LOL who is Claire Khaw?

Is s/he different from Imperator?

Oh crumbs...it's all gone a bit pear-shaped clearly!

She's an unhinged weirdo who writes laughable tripe on the internet, she has no job, contributes zero to society but complains about people on welfare, belongs to the BNP (agent to Jeffrey 'the seedy wanker' Marshall and is an immigrant.

oh you're so thick.

Don't you understand the difference between enjoying and admiring someone's body and objectifying them?