Recommend me a book!

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Right, reading these boards recently has given me a bit of a kick up the arse on my feminist principles. I've done a bit of 'light' reading in the area (think The Beauty Myth as a teenager) but think I need something a bit more serious without being so weighty I never pick it up. I'd rather have something published in, say, the last 15 years than any of the 'classics'.

Any ideas?

plenty of people believe they are napoleon. they are not in fact napoleon. nobody slaps a hat on them and sends them out into the world with a neatly changed birth certificate and clearly defined 'right' in legislation to present themselves as napoleon.

im not saying life isnt harder for you if you think you are napoleon. im not saying that if you were the parent of a child that though they were napoleon that you wouldnt do everything you could to support your child. im not even saying that i would even object to said people walking around and living their lives as napoleon.

but i absolutely do reserve the right to not agree that they are not in fact napoleon

hmmm-what a outdated statement-a lot of people have moved on from these kind of thoughts these days!

On what basis?

what 'on what basis'? wastingaway???

I like the fact we are all now so old fashioned!!

On what basis have a lot of people moved on?

on the basis that some people these days dont have these outdated views because they have learnt and moved forward![about trans issues]
this kind of thing was being said years ago!

Learnt what though? Has there been some scientific evidence regarding a female brain?

This thread just shows hoe much people need to be EDUCATED

sally you make it sound like a threat and stop shouting....

Where was the treat?

All i'm saying is people need to be educated.
Funny how people can give such strong opinions on something they know nothing about

What's wrong with frikonastiks analogy?

I should of said "Where was the threat?"

Treatment for children

If your child is under 18 years of age, they should be referred to a specialist child and adolescent gender identity clinic. These clinics can offer ongoing assessment for children with gender dysphoria, and specialised treatment and support for children and their families. Your child will be fully assessed before any treatment begins.

Your child?s treatment should be arranged with a multi-disciplinary team (MDT), a team of different healthcare professionals working together. Your child?s MDT may include:

• a mental health professional, who is trained in dealing with gender dysphoria in children and teenagers
• a paediatric endocrinologist, a specialist in hormone conditions in children

Children before puberty

If your child is diagnosed with gender dysphoria before they reach puberty (when a child progresses into a sexually developed adult), they will not receive endocrine treatment. Endocrine treatment is treatment with hormones (powerful chemicals). It is the first step to developing the physical signs of your preferred gender.

Guidelines from the Endocrine Society do not recommend endocrine treatment for young children because a diagnosis of transsexualism cannot be made before a child has reached puberty. Transsexualism is a life-long and extreme form of gender dysphoria, when someone seeks to change their sex.

The Endocrine Society found that 75-80% of children who were diagnosed with gender dysphoria before they reached puberty did not have the condition after puberty. Therefore, endocrine treatment is not recommended until after puberty, when a diagnosis of gender dysphoria can be confirmed.
Children up to 16

If your child has been diagnosed with transexualism and they have reached puberty, they may be treated with gonadotrophin-releasing hormone (GnRH) analogues. These are synthetic (manmade) hormones that suppress the hormones naturally produced by your body.

The recommendation for endocrine treatment must come from a mental health professional, and they must continue to be part of your child?s ongoing care. An endocrinologist (a specialist in hormonal conditions) must also confirm your child?s diagnosis.

Puberty is divided into stages. These are called Tanner stages, named after James Mourilyan Tanner who first identified them. GnRH analogues may be suitable for children who have reached Tanner stage two, which means a number of physical changes have taken place, such as pubic hair starting to grow. In girls, this is around 11 years of age and in boys it is around 12 years of age.

See the Health A-Z topic about Puberty - symptoms for more information about the different stages of puberty and the changes that take place.

Some of the changes that take place during puberty are driven by hormones. For example, the hormone testosterone, which is produced by the testes in boys, helps stimulate the development of the penis. As GnRH analogues suppress the hormones that are produced by your child?s body, they also suppress puberty.

GnRH analogues can be taken until your child reaches 16 years of age, after which cross-sex hormones can be taken (see below).
Children over 16

If your child has been taking GnRH analogues for several years and are still diagnosed as transsexual, they may be offered cross-sex hormones. These can alter your child?s body further to fit with their gender identity. The effects of these hormones are only partially reversible, so they are not offered to children who are under 16 years of age.

Once your child reaches adulthood at 18 years of age, they can begin the process of gender confirmation surgery, which will change their gender irreversibly (also known as transition). Not all children who experience gender dysphoria will go on to transition. In fact, the number of children who go on to become transsexuals is very small.

For more information about cross-sex hormone treatment and gender confirmation surgery, see the section below about treatment for adults.

The amount of treatment that your child has will depend on how strong and long-lasting their feelings of gender dysphoria are. However, all children and their families should be offered counselling and support through their gender identity clinic.

The Department of Health has published a number of leaflets about gender identity, including one aimed at parents whose children are experiencing gender dysphoria.

how come that saying that that some people need educating is seen as a threat?
is it threatening to be educated on matters
that some dont understand[or like]?

Thanks for the info Sally66 -

If anybody wants the link address it is www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages/Treatment.aspx

sparky - education is the cure for bigotry.

The thing is people are frightened of what they don't understand. It is also a case of not in my back yard syndrome.

Shame

I don't think anyone has said that gender dysphoria doesn't exist.

TBH I'm surprised that hormone suppressants are given to adolescents but I can see the reasoning, if the mental health professional believes the dysphoria is likely to continue.

The main point is that some feminists believe this doesn't make a mtf transgender person an actual woman, which is what frikonastick was illustrating I believe.

yep-earwicga i know

god you are so smug...

"women who don't think that sex resides in someone's head but is actually a physical reality in our bodies."...

I read this above and to be honest I haven't the time to go through all the personal arguments that are erupting like a talks process based on the Northern Ireland parading issue...

ALL ANIMALS, including humans have examples of members of the species conforming to social roles normally associated with the opposite sex. I'm not talking about male penguins looking after the eggs, but individuals within species, outside of a species norm. There are male insects that adhere to female behavioural characteristics, and they are quite happy to act as female without the other insects yapping... and vice versa... female animals becoming the alpha male when it is not the norm within a species. Some people are born intersex, some 'men' are born with boobs, some women without boobs, some men with one testicle... no testicles etc... the wonders of what goes on within the womb eh!? Or what about the danger of the mutant fertilisation sperm?

The thing is that, female and male go beyond genitalia, they have different brains... smell differently, hear on slightly different frequencies etc etc... and there are crosses over on these boundaries, but surely how you feel is more important than the physicality? Autopsies on transgendered individuals have shown that their brains are more similar to the members of the sex into which they were not born... or their 'true sex' for the anti-trans camp...

The argument put forward by our feminist friends appears to be saying that gender "is actually a physical reality in our bodies"... OK, so we take that as a starting point... Physical Reality... PHYSICAL REALITY... Ethnic minorities then can never be part of their chosen nation state as they're not from there, is that a logical step in this argument? How can 'they' (those not like us, usually a minority) be defined as being one of 'us' when the physicality of their colour is at odds with what is deemed English, British or whatever? "How can they be english when clearly they don't look like several million years of Caucasian evolution?" or "How can they be male/ female when they don't physically resemble several million years of sexual and gender evolution"? Are their feelings on who or what they are come a poor second to definitions surrounding physical reality?

You anti trans people sound more and more like the creationists that are rampant in NI, with your cyclopic view of the human condition... self righteous application of one-eyed, self centred, and self protective logic.

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The penny dropping?

No, I think it's been argued that sex is the physical reality, not gender.

Anybody of any colour can be British.
I however could not argue that I was black, no matter how black I felt.

No not the penny dropping, just banging my head.......

"Get out of my sex"...or... "get out of my country... You don't belong here..."

Seems the same to me... both arguments are being used as self-protection against those 'dark outside forces'... foreigners in the case on nationhood, or men in the case of feminists... here.

"Anybody of any colour can be British.
I however could not argue that I was black, no matter how black I felt."

Surely then anyone then be male... or female as they 'feel' that gender, just as someone can 'feel' British as they have always lived that way, despite their skin colour/ upbringing showing them to be asian/ african/ irish/ ukrainian?

I don't go about telling Irish Americans that they're not Irish at all because they don't conform to my definition of mick-dom! "What would you know about being Irish, you haven't been oppressed by the Brits, you don't have the mentality"... Could a trans woman not be part of the female diaspora? Another shade of woman?

Feminists here complain about the language used to oppress them, the definitions used...etc... and yet are quite happy to then box themselves into a narrow female definition based on physicality to keep trans people out.

I again go back to the racist parallel where nationalists of a state will use physicality as a definition of their being also, and refuse to acknowledge difference as part of their exposition of what it is to be a nationality... or a sex in this case... in order to defend themselves. Cultures, groups, nations and ethnicities retreat to these standpoints when they see themselves as under attack... or under siege. They become closed, and ultimately start to mimic the oppressors they claim to be resisting to keep their ideology pure and unclouded to enable them to fight effectively. Shame really.