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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The aftermath of rape

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tortoiseonthehalfshell · 21/04/2010 13:33

This is a spinoff from the 'asking for it' thread. It was pretty clear to me that in all the focus on rape victims' behaviour before a rapist attacked them, very little is ever said or known about the effects afterward.

So feel free to add your experiences if you feel up to it, and if not hopefully a little bit of this will still be helpful. I know that when I started reading this stuff, years and years after I was raped, I was finally able to forgive myself for the way I reacted to the rape.

I don't know how much of this will resonate with other survivors, but these are the things I wish I'd known:

'Psychologic symptoms of rape are potentially the most prominent. In the short term, most patients experience fear, nightmares, sleep problems, anger, embarrassment, shame, guilt, or a combination. Immediately after an assault, patient behavior can range from talkativeness, tenseness, crying, and trembling to shock and disbelief with dispassion, quiescence, and smiling. The latter responses rarely indicate lack of concern; rather, they reflect avoidance reactions, physical exhaustion, or coping mechanisms that require control of emotion.'

--From here

There's a tendency to re-enact the situation:

Adult survivors are at great risk of further victimization due to elevated PTSD levels. They find themselves reinacting the abusive situation in relationships in order to overcome it. They also have a tendency to get involved in toxic, co-dependant relationships. Adults previously assaulted as a child are twice as likely to be assaulted as an adult.
here

Then there's always self-blame, as if everyone else wasn't keen enough to help us with that:

"1/ Behavioral self blame refers to victims' feelings that they should have done something differently, and therefore feel at fault.

2/ Characterological self blame is when victims feel there is something inherently wrong with them, causing them to deserve to be assaulted. This type of blame is associated with an increased amount of negative psychological effects on the victim."
(same link as above)

And while this is by no means an exhaustive list, the one that inspired the spin-off was promiscuity. Interestingly, I couldn't find a quick academic source on this, but I found loads and loads of anecdotal and less academic sources. Here's one

"Sexual dysfunction and promiscuity can occur in the aftermath of rape. Sexual dysfunction usually occurs if the victim views sex as synonymous with rape. If promiscuity occurs after a rape, it can be the most difficult for friends and family to understand, and it often gives them an excuse to disbelieve the woman's story."

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starshaker · 21/04/2010 13:39

My experience is that when it comes to sex (this is 10 years later and hate to say still affects me) i would rather give it than have it taken. Nobody in my family believe me but im past caring. I somehow get myself into situations with men where they come onto me and i dont feel i can say no. I know when im thinking straight i should have said no but at the time the thought of saying it and them not listening to me seems far worse than willingly sleeping with them.

ByThePowerOfGreyskull · 21/04/2010 13:52

I have talked at length wiht my therapist about the aftermath of rape.
Alot of the long term consequences seem to be dictated by how the event is dealt with at the time, the support network around the victim.

If the victim is believed and supported and given the understanding at the time the long term consequences are likely to be significantly reduced.

So many of the issues I have now are not about the actual act, they are about the fear the fear before realising I had messed up and put myself in a situation and then the fear that I wouldn't live through it, then the fear of getting out and having to explain to my dad why I was late. Then after asking for help (not family a religious leader) the ultimate fear that it was true that the God that I thought was a loving and kind God was infact able to let these things happen and it was "gods will" that this happened to me.

On a day to day basis Starshaker, I am similar to you in the things you say, but I feel I can give love in general (not just sexual)and show kindness to people but really can not bear to receive it. I instinctively do not believe the motives of the person. I too have had relations with men when I didnt want to but couldn't risk him not listening to me.

LadyBiscuit · 21/04/2010 14:12

I do want to talk about this - it's a really good idea for a thread - but I'm getting ready for some people coming round now so just marking my place for later

ByThePowerOfGreyskull · 22/04/2010 21:45

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HerBeatitude · 22/04/2010 22:12

My first reaction was to completely dismiss any thought that it might be rape. I laughed it off as a drunken shag. (I was separated from the friends I was with on my way back to the mini-cab station and dragged down a dark alley and raped by someone who had grabbed me earlier on in the evening at the party we were at, and from whom I'd run away giggling, not taking it seriously, but making it absolutely clear that I wasn't interested in him.)

I didn't tell anyone about it and when he called me two days later and asked me out, I said yes, even though I was repelled by him. I had sex with him twice more and I have never understood, until that "asked for it" thread, why I did that. Partly it was so as not to be thought of as a slag if he told everyone we'd had sex; but I now understand that it was part of the denial process and part of trying to re-establish control - if I could pretend that being dragged down a dark alley and fucked against my will, was just getting off with my boyfriend, then I wasn't a victim and didn't have to define myself as one.

It was only about two years later, after a series of one night stands and general feelings of worthlessness, that I encountered the term "date rape" and realised that the fact that the person who raped you was a friend's brother and you went out with him afterwards, didn't alter the fact that pinning someone down and having sex with her when she was quite clear that she didn't want it, was still rape. But my subsequent behaviour would have completely confirmed to anyone I told, that of course it wasn't rape. Even to myself, it confirmed it wasn't rape. It took years to really get it clear in my mind that it was rape, mainly because going out with him afterwards helped disguise it so effectively.

BelleDameSansMerci · 22/04/2010 22:24

I wasn't raped but I was abused as a child and you'll have seen my sexual assault thing on the other thread but I wanted to say that I am exactly the same as GreySkull in that I can give love, kindness, consideration and affection but I am deeply, deeply suspicious of anyone's motives if they offer these things to me. Much less so with women but I find it impossible to trust male motives. Not surprising, I suppose.

BelleDameSansMerci · 22/04/2010 22:25

And, needless to say, I am completely crap at relationships. I've pretty much stopped attempting them now. I'm happier with it just being DD and me... It's just easier and safer. For us both.

LadyBiscuit · 23/04/2010 00:05

I am the same as you BDSM/greyskull. I've tried to have relationships but I really don't trust anyone's motives. I am fine at having meaningless sex but in the context of a relationship, it makes me really emotional and I really don't enjoy it that much.

After the first rape (now I'm trying to acknowledge it happened twice) I was in terrible shock for ages. I couldn't leave the house for a few weeks, kept having panic attacks etc. It took me about 2 1/2 years before I had sex again. And then when I did, I was pretty promiscuous. The the second incident happened and I had sex once more about a year later and that was it. I'm better off with my DC on my own too.

SupposedToBeWorking · 11/08/2010 11:44

Just found this thread via a roundabout route. Have been sobbing my heart out reading other people's experiences that are so familiar. And I am SO supposed to be working...

I was raped when I was 16, but it's only recently that I've been able to say so. He was twice my age and married with four young children (and a son from his first marriage who was older than I was, FGS). He told me he would kill himself if I didn't keep seeing him.

The day it happened, I knew it was coming, and I didn't only not say no, I found somewhere we could go. I just wanted it over with.

I've acted exactly like that about sex for the 17 years since then. I have sex at the drop of a hat with men who repulse me, and I initiate it because I just want it to be over with. If I try to think of some other way of operating, I just can't imagine at what point in a date you get the chance to say no. No-one's ever asked me, 'yes or no?' Plus, like Starshaker, the thought of saying no and being ignored is way way worse than pretending I wanted to and liked it.

I've often ended up in relationships that way. Some of them quite long term - 2, 3 years. It was a strong step for me when I chose to be single, and to try to build friendships with women.

I'm in a relationship at the moment and sex is a major issue - but, for the first time, in a good way. DP and I talk about it a lot more than we do it. DP says likes sex best when it's playful. That made me realise that my approach to sex is that it's a fight - either to get what you want or not to get what you don't want. It's my default setting whenever there's the slightist sniff of the possibility of sex to become defensive and angry, which for years and years and years I've thought was me being 'passionate'.

Apart from my sex life, the rape had a big effect on my relationship with my parents, especially (so far) my mother - although she doesn't know it - and was quite a big factor in the depression and eating disorder I had some years later.

Tortoise, thanks for this thread. Can anyone tell me where the 'asking for it' one is? I don't know how to look. Is there anywhere I can just tell someone what happened?

Everyone: I send you my respect and thanks.

BitOfFun · 11/08/2010 11:51

Thankyou for posting that- it must have been so hard Sad. I'm really glad you are starting to get your head around it all now though. Sorry, my words aren't coming easily, but I wanted to let you know I'd read it and really feel for you, STBW.

loopyloops · 11/08/2010 12:19

Oh, so many ways....

Firstly, I became very promiscuous. Now that I'm married, and whenever I've been in a relationship I have been, and have expected in return exemplary monogamy, including no porn. I guess I'm quite possessive.

I still (15 years on) really hate anything other than the missionary position (he insisted that I went on top) and I just can't enjoy it that way, often if DH asks me to it makes me cry.

I can't have pillows over my head.

I can't have / enjoy sex when drunk.

I am very cautious of any drinks or anything that strangers offer me (he gave me drugs).

I mourn my virginity.

I have lost all trust and friendship with my cousin (who "arranged" it to make me happier.

I know I will be very protective of my daughter when she is a teenager, and will be wildly cross with DH if he isn't.

Many more I'm sure.

loopyloops · 11/08/2010 12:21

Oh, and I also thought I was in love with him afterwards. When he got sent to prison (not sure what for) I thought about visiting him to see if he was OK. Hmm

swallowedAfly · 11/08/2010 13:02

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tortoiseonthehalfshell · 11/08/2010 13:08

The Asking for It thread is here but it's long, and it gets ugly in places.

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SupposedToBeWorking · 11/08/2010 20:10

Thanks for the link Tortoise - bits are ugly, yes, but big bits made me cheer inside! I LOVE how many fantabulous women there are on MN!

BoF, thank you so much for your kindness. I had a lovely chat with DP just now about what I'd posted and how much it meant to me that someone replied.

ISNT · 11/08/2010 21:00

Just marking for later, going to read the other thread first Smile

ISNT · 11/08/2010 21:06

Oh Smile I'm all over that other thread!

This business about women becoming promiscuous afterwards - what's the thinking behind that?

I was terribly promiscuous afterwards, for years. But I always thought that was just what I was like, I never made any connections. I always separated sex from emotion. But some people are just like that - I have no idea how you tell what is "you" and what is because of what happened IYSWIM.

I do know that I was really confused afterwards and phoned the bloke - I think I wanted to talk about what had happened or something - I don't really know why I had this powerful urge to be in touch with him, even years later when I saw him. But then even later when I saw him and was a bit pissed and asked him about it he laughed at me and said it couldn't be rape as I rang him up afterwards. I have always been very confused by the whole thing. For years I said it was "a sort of sexual assault", I didn't call it rape, as that made it seem too serious. Also I told a couple of friends at the time but they weren't really interested so I didn't tell anyone else Confused

loopyloops · 11/08/2010 21:08

I think the thinking behind that is twofold (or probably more):

Lack of self esteem/worth
Need to feel wanted.

ISNT · 11/08/2010 21:10

Hmmmm

I was a terrible alcoholic as well.

Um...

SagacityNell · 11/08/2010 21:10

my promiscuity was to be in control of the sex, to make it "ok" and if it was ok then it wasn't rape.

swallowedAfly · 12/08/2010 11:25

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sparky159 · 12/08/2010 11:39

its tooken me a lifetime to try and get where i am now and i feel that no matter what-it has left its mark.

this happened many years ago and afterwards
i spent ages too scared to go out as i thought everyone"knew"and i thought evryone was looking at me.

i spent years feeling"not good enough"and went on to have some very abusive realashionships.

i spent years being angry and i used to fantisise what i would do to him if i bumped into him.

these days-well-for the first time in my life i have got some self worth and most of the angers gone-and i do genuinly care for others and i feel that because i genuinly care for others-they didnt "win"[can you see what im saying]i think things could of really gone the other way and i could of ended up still hating instead.

im [mostly]happy in my life now and im quite a cheerful friendly person-but it has tooken me many years to get here.

[left its mark]-
i dont bother with realashionships as i find them too difficult and im happy on my own.
every time ive had a realashionship ive felt like people have tried to "own me"and i dont like this feeling.
i have a lot of interests and this is enough for me-i do [mostly]love people but i do have a lack of trust aswell[but this is getting better]

i like being with people but often when i first meet them im exteemly nervous and fidgety and it takes me ages to not be like this with them.

im quite ok with arguing with people[water off a ducks back]but although i like people saying nice things to me-if they do i feel embarressed and cringe.

so-probebly not everyones idea of a good way of "being"-but im ok with it as i think that things are better than they was and i am finally getting there.[theres lots of good bits these days]

yes there is a aftermath and its not just the immediate afterwards.

ISNT · 12/08/2010 19:17

People talking about experiences here if anyone wants to talk further.

bottyburpthebarbarian · 12/08/2010 19:30

The giving love / not liking receiving it hit a chord with me too.

ChynaDoll2006 · 12/08/2010 19:34

Wow I am so glad I've found this. I had 2 rape and forced oral sex experiences when I was 16. I had no idea other people had such similar experiences afterwards. I will post my experiences later. I am very very comforted this is here.

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