Did I get this right?

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I was on a Reddit Thread called:

Which celebrity can you no longer look at the same way after learning about a controversy or something disturbing they did?

A person responded JK Rowling and my reply was as follows.

I can help you with that. JK Rowling has expressed her opinion that, in certain circumstances, such as places in public where women have to remove their clothes (restrooms, changing rooms, etc.), sex should be considered more relevant than gender ideology. For people who do not live on the internet- this is the majority and most common view.

She has publicly stood up to a powerful misogynistic and homophobic ideology against immense pressure and personal persecution. She has held system-makers, not individuals, accountable for the lies that they have been internalised in the British Education and human resources system. She has also supported women across the UK to stand up for their sex-based rights with her own finances, which she made herself.

You can disagree and say that males - who still retain a significant physical strength advantage and commit sexual offences against women at a higher rate than females- in your opinion do not pose any extra risk to women in private space. What you can't say is JK Rowling has wished, asked for or instigated any harm against transgender people as a group or individuals.

Did I get this right or have I missed off anything?

Well said, OP. It’s funny how people who moan about JKR can never tell you what she actually said that was so supposedly offensive.

Or what they tell you ends up only being offensive if you are a narcissist who needs constant validation from others.

None of those things are true, @TransParentlyAnnoyed, which you well know, but keep repeating all the same. You just don't want to acknowledge it.

TPA keeps repeating the same nonsense despite it being refuted repeatedly on here. I'll just do one now because I'm busy, but lurkers - please rest assured that everything else TPA says is false too.

1. JKR has only ever commented on one Olympic boxer - Imane Khelif - who has in fact never passed a sex/gender test.

I feel so sorry for TPA.

They are so hateful towards JKR because they are totally blinded by their own misguided beliefs.

Did anything I say incorrect about what she has said and not said around TGpeople?

The reason I am asking about my response is because I have seen a lot of this “JKR is an awful person” rhetoric being used to shut down anyone who also thinks that sex is more relevant than TG ideology.

This have been repeated in the recent Midterms by Jimmy Kimmel and I am still really pissed off with John Oliver with his awful two pieces on Transwomen in sport.

Surely people can dislike or like who they want whatever the reason?

Your response was perfect.

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I agree but this was specifically aimed at people who are controversial- which JK Rowling discussion in TG ideology isn’t.

This.

The thread is for people to respond with their own thoughts on celebrities they can no longer look at in the same way after some incident or event.

You deciding to argue with someone's response to this thread shows a problem with you, not them. You don't seem to understand where it is appropriate to raise this debate and where it is not.

I'm sure other people did similar about other responses but again, it will only be the problematic posters.

Good. I am trying to get more confident in applying critical thinking to the TG ideology discussion and I want to make sure that what I am saying is clear and correct.

I am also trying to avoid making my identity about defending JK Rowling- not that she needs it - and about why what she is saying should be listened to and valued.

The major point I am pushing back on is that a TG identity is within the range or “normal and healthy” . To do that I am going to remove the attention on JK Rowling and put it back on what TG-ism actually is.

TPA responses are extremely helpful for me to practice engaging with people whose TG identify is more comfortably
than their reality

"Controversial" is a subjective opinion. Not a fact. If someone says they find Moira Stewart a "controversial" character, then it is just their opinion. You can't say they are factually wrong, you can just say you disagree with their opinion.

On this thread you're speaking of, people were being asked to share their opinions on who they find controversial. You were wrong to challenge them.

Fair point- but nothing JK Rowling has done in the TG space is controversial.

You can dislike JK Rowling for her writing, for her attention seeking, for her poverty cosplay- all of which would be valid critiques.

But to think she is controversial because she has said that reasonable certain circumstances and for safety of women and girls she values sex above gender ideology is weak.

Why was I wrong to challenge them?

Again, that is your opinion. This thread was for people to say who they see differently and perhaps why. It wasnt for people to argue with the opinions of others.

When you can't tell the difference, you can safely say that you've become way too entrenched in this subject. It means that if you're at a dinner party, and someone says they don't like Harry Potter, you're going to start going off at them about toilets and puberty blockers.

Are you suggesting the OP derailed the Reddit thread @Lexibletheflexible ?

I look forward to you stepping in so diligently here when certain posters attempt to derail threads.

Because that wasn't the point of the conversation. If I wrote that thread, I'd be wanting to hear what sort of things have made people dislike a celebrity. I wouldn't want pages of responses from people arguing about whether the people giving ne the responses I want are allowed to feel that way.

Oh I do by reporting them. Sometime staff agree, usually not.

I see this is where you and I disagree.

On a Reddit thread people were sharing who they have changed their opinions about because of controversy.

Nothing JK Rowling has said on TG ideology is controversial. It is a boring middle of the road opinion that has been labelled by hate groups as controversial to push an extreme political view.

People who think JK Rowling is controversial are demonstrating that they are not able to critically think.

You seem to be arguing with the OP and challenging her @Lexibletheflexible

Hmmm

Ive just read the thread. Easy to find. There's about 275 comments. The only one I can find where anyone has decided to challenge the responder is your comment. Anyone who wants to see just Google the thread content from the OP

So? People’s thoughts are only for affirmation, should never be challenged?

FWIW JKRowling is, indeed, a
celebrity I can no longer look at in the same way after some incident or event. I thought she was just an unspectacular author who lucked on a subject and a publisher. The best thing about the Harry Potter novels was that they got children reading.

Once she spoke up about women’s rights, and then continued to be increasingly eloquent in the face of vicious criticism, and, on top of that, used her money to support her principles, my view of JKR changed completely. I certainly no longer look at her as a lucky person who got children reading, but as a principled, committed, courageous woman.