Sandie Peggie has lost her case against the nursing union.

[RhannionKPSS]

Terrible news

I suppose i would quibble with your use of the word 'many'. I imagine that the vast majority of death threats against women come from men, whatever their identity. I would be surprised if genderist women turn out to be more likely to post death threats than other women. Do you think that taking testosterone makes them do this?

"You say that Sandie Peggie is a 'vile bigot', and I say you're a 'vile weirdo c word'."

Like this person.

No because plenty of natal women who are not trans and therefore not medically transitioning are vehemently not GC.

So it's the ideology that makes them more violent than other women?

Don't dish it if you can't take it.

I don't know that it definitely does. What I do think is that any strong socio-political opinions which are nurtured largely in online spaces tend to feature people who behave in this kind of way if the platform permits.

The only reason I think people on here don't explicitly wish harm/death on those they disagree with in some parts of this site is because they'll be banned.

I think some just think "fuck it", make a sock account like the one above who called Alcove the C word, and say what they want to say.

The only reason I think people on here don't explicitly wish harm/death on those they disagree with in some parts of this site is because they'll be banned.

You have a low opinion of women.

Perhaps of people. I don't think that men would behave any better. Their sites tend not to have the type of guidelines that MN do for starters unless they are literally made to.

We’re making progress then.

Who is we and towards what?

I'm genuinely sorry that you have such a low opinion of people. I guess you have formed it from experience.

Well, just by seeing the world as it is and the type of abuse all kinds of people experience online. Aren't you aware of anything like that going on?

I have a posting history of thousands of comments. And I'm also not afraid to use words that accurately describe the thing. We are allowed to say 'fuck' and 'cunt' on this forum. Just like you used the word 'fuck'.

Calling alcove that, while reportable personal abuse, isn’t “wishing death or harm”, is it? And that type of thing very much comes from the TRA side on social media so not sure you’ve got much basis for that assumption.

Please don't minimise this. I have never seen the unhinged language to which I am referring used by gender critical feminists. However I have certainly seen it used at them. This is not a both-sides-as-bad-as-each-other thing.

It might be an angry-traditionalists-vs-angry-genderists thing, but traditionalsist are very much not gender critical feminists.

Sandie Peggie partly won her first tribunal
with a judgement statement that was an omnishambles that the court finally gave up correcting.

It will go to EAT, it will be ripped to shreds.

Sandie Peggie lost her claim against the RCN
but the public evidence will do ireparable harm to the RCN

I see no benefit to her to appeal this one.

The Leonardo case is likely to go to EAT as it misrepresents other parts of legislation than EA2010

So you’re just suspecting then. You don’t actually know, because it isn’t possible?

You called someone a cunt. That is quite different to using the word cunt. Your exact words were "I say you're a 'vile weirdo cunt'.". That is a personal attack. If you make these often, you shouldn't be on the site.

but trans people aren't afforded the same right to assert the same "boundaries" are they?

Exactly I was going to say the same. I’ve seen men threaten TIMs. They’re not GC feminists.

Well you don't know for sure every time because you can't confirm. I'd say with most people, you can correctly guess their biological sex despite their presentation.

Which boundaries would they be?

Yes, so it’s reasonable for men to stay out of female only spaces, because with most people, as you say, it’s obvious.

Okay. I think I have. Not here. But since I've been here and have found other places online where GC people discuss their opinions.

Of course. It's just my experience that the most violent, death-threat forms of abuse tend to be from accounts that belong to men, or to men who claim to be women. (The latter identified by adding 'suck my girldick' or somesuch. Thinking of Terfisaslur here). I don't generally come across women making death threats in anything like the same numbers.