Sandie Peggie has lost her case against the nursing union.

[RhannionKPSS]

Terrible news

Still no answer to what movement??! Quelle surprise! This poster is only interested in being goady, not in actually answering awkward questions.

It's hilarious isn't it. Some people are so blinded by hatred that they absolutely genuinely believe one comment many years ago has more authority about a person's character and values than the way that person demonstrably lives their life every day.

I guess that's not so surprising though when we are talking about an ideology that seeks to place statements of identity over day to day reality.

I think that the advice she was given was poor, because the union guy couldn't see the big picture beyond the internal dispute. At the end of the day, there is no use paying your subs if front-line union staff aren't trained properly or given quick access to competent legal teams that are up-to-date on relevant laws.

Who do you personally consider to be a “sensible gender critical”?

Ooo I know this one! ( leaving aside the unpleasant dehumanising of using gender critical as a noun 🙄)

It's a person who holds gender critical views but never ever ever expresses them out of consideration for how said views might distress a trans person.

It's a person who very reasonably wants sports and prisons to be single sex but is never gauche enough to say so, or to explain why this should be necessary.

It's a person who secretly hopes the loud and nasty gender critical feminists will speak up and sort things out so they can loudly condemn said feminists in public for their bad and nasty ways while benefitting from said women's efforts.

Schrodinger's gender criticism. Absolutely ok as long as it remains undetectable.

Thank you - Upton said this under oath. Hope @lacksie is able to come and school us on this awful statement.

Aren’t they arguing that they weren’t asked to look at it? I mean they weren’t asked to look at the bigger picture so the guy who answered the phone Answered the questions with the information that he had at the time.

Oh look, the usual cult members have joined up thread to tell us annoying women to wheesht. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Probably already here, some arguments are soooo familiar.

‘Foreign’? Careful now, your ignorance is showing.
Using the term ‘foreign’ when talking about a group of people, usually of a different nationality, race or colour, is problematic because it labels individuals an “other” who does not belong or is not welcome. Some could arguably claim it is a term frequently used by racists.

On the other thread. They’re familiar because these people mostly crowdsource their talking points on Reddit and BlueSky.

It’s a bit of a weird construction for a supposed “progressive”.

I don't think it's fair to talk about her private reaction to her child coming out. I think it is full of complexities. The rest of what you say is what makes her a questionable person.

Are you in severe pain? Or have you just been fired? Perhaps you've just had a bereavement? I honestly can't think of another reason why you would be quite so snarlingly vituperative about someone you've (presumably) never met.

I think that's a bizarre statement to make on Mumsnet.

Not at all? I was also wondering where the level of anger and hatred came from.

It sits awkwardly with the attitude that only nice people deserve rights, doesn't it?

You realise that in this part of the site alone, people often express extreme negativity towards people they've never met based on their perception of their beliefs and/or lifestyle?

Basically, people generally speak poorly about those who are not GC and positively about people who are GC. That includes making assertions about the character because of their beliefs on sex and gender. That's the theme here.

Or people speak negatively of those who actively want to strip women of their hard fought rights to single sex spaces and sports, and positively of the ones who don’t?

Is that what you mean?

Why are you tagging me? So you can tell me off for "derailing" when I reply? And demand I take it elsewhere or get off mumsnet entirely and attend to my kids?

I honestly can't figure out what on earth it is that you want..

There’s a lot of gleeful spite on show, isn’t there? Not the first time I’ve seen this nastiness.

The point is that person was seemingly shocked at someone casting assertions on someone's character for their views on sex and gender. So I'm glad you agree that is a thing here and nobody should be surprised if someone who isn't GC does the same.

I guess my point is that it isn't for a nurse to google the law before she talks to her union. The union guy should be able to look at what the nurse is telling him about the suspension and notice that she might actually have a claim against her employer herself. If he didn't have enough information to notice that, then maybe that is because he didn't ask the right questions.

Is that what you took from that. Hmmm.

And do you realise I was referring to the level of shear spite against Nurse Peggie from certain posters?
As a certain group of posters would say, ‘do try to keep up’.

Yes I know what you were referring to. That is why I am saying that level of spite is regualrly directed towards people they've never met who hold opposing views on this issue around here. How is that anything new?