Babies are conceived. I don't have to conceive a baby with my husband for us to be that baby's parents. We could adopt a baby someone else conceived. I could conceived a baby through donation/IVF that we raise. We don't have to conceive the baby together for us to end up as that baby's parents.
Jeez.
PoisonCrystal ·
Today 07:16
Where do you think the babies come from? 😂
Quoting PoisonCrystal
Lexibletheflexible ·
Today 07:15
No, IVF, donation, and adoption... do you know any lesbians who are parents? Did they conceive with each other?
Quoting Lexibletheflexible
PoisonCrystal ·
Today 07:12
Ah! The immaculate conception! Of course! 😂😂😂😂😂
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Lexibletheflexible ·
Today 07:11
People don't hsve to conceive with each other to become parents.
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PoisonCrystal ·
Today 07:09
Good luck with trying to perpetuate this species! 😂
Quoting PoisonCrystal
Lexibletheflexible ·
Today 07:03
Some people believe sex is irrelevant and gender is what matters. Some people believe sex is of absolute importance and matters most. Both are opinions.
Quoting Lexibletheflexible
PoisonCrystal ·
Today 07:02
What are facts?
Facts are definitely true.
They can be backed up with evidence.
For example:
Human beings reproduce via sexual reproduction ie by the combination of genetic information of two individuals of different sexes; a man and a woman.
What are opinions?
Your opinion is how you feel.
Other people might think differently, they have a different opinion.
For example:
Some people believe that their sex is irrelevant and that gives them the right to override laws and social norms.
Quoting BettyBooper
Lexibletheflexible ·
Today 06:39
A lot of people dont think there is any need for single sex spaces that arent inclusive to trans people as their chosen gender. So yep, they think trans people being included as their chosen gender matters more than anyone having a single sex space. That is their opinion. Your opinion differs. Just so you don't lose track, your opinion is that people having single sex spaces is more important that trans people feeling included as their chosen gender.
Both views are just personal opinions. They aren't facts.
Do you understand the difference between opinion and fact?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z3wgqhv
Quoting Lexibletheflexible
BettyBooper ·
Yesterday 22:22
Nope.
Not remotely the same. It is not about 'who matters more'. It's about who is included within a category. Sex is a factual category. It is not an opinion.
Quoting BettyBooper
Lexibletheflexible ·
Yesterday 22:16
But that goes for everyone who does that. When someone argues against single sex spaces, many GC people say it is exclusionary to women and especially women from certain minority groups. The same argument ("grow up") could be used against them. Especially in spaces where the majority of women are okay with trans inclusive/genderist policies.
It is subjective opinion that the natal women championed by GC people matter more or that the trans people matter more. It doesn't matter who agrees with what side, it's still an opinion.
Quoting Lexibletheflexible
BettyBooper ·
Yesterday 22:08
Well that's pretty broad.
'I want to serve lemon drizzle cake at the party '
'Well I don't like lemon drizzle cake! You somehow excluded me! Whaaaa!'
When are people going to grow up?
Quoting AccidentallyWesAnderson
Lexibletheflexible ·
Yesterday 22:01
Any view that the other party disagrees with in the basis that it is somehow exclusionary.
Quoting Lexibletheflexible
AccidentallyWesAnderson ·
Yesterday 21:59
I meant what views that could be considered harmful?
Quoting AccidentallyWesAnderson
Lexibletheflexible ·
Yesterday 21:57
Anyone GC. The subject of this thread, for example.
Quoting Lexibletheflexible
AccidentallyWesAnderson ·
Yesterday 21:57
Quoting AccidentallyWesAnderson
Lexibletheflexible ·
Yesterday 21:55
Right but others would argue that GC person holds views that are actively harmful and/or commited X harmful conduct towards someone else, so that's why people say the things they say about them.
It's all subjective.
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Quoting Lacksie
AccidentallyWesAnderson ·
Yesterday 21:54
More he’s an odious problematic man who wouldn’t leave a female changing room and has openly admitted he would intentionally ignore the wishes of a female patient. Amongst other things. I think thats why he gets called the things he does.
Quoting RogueFemale
Lacksie ·
Yesterday 21:44
And all the name calling and abuse directed at DU? But that's a different matter because DU is trans right?
Quoting Lexibletheflexible
RogueFemale ·
Yesterday 21:41
@alcovecupboards 's words were 'she's a vile bigot'. That is a personal attack. As I said, don't dish it if you can't take it.
Quoting RogueFemale
Lexibletheflexible ·
Yesterday 21:36
You called someone a cunt. That is quite different to using the word cunt. Your exact words were "I say you're a 'vile weirdo cunt'.". That is a personal attack. If you make these often, you shouldn't be on the site.
Quoting Lexibletheflexible
RogueFemale ·
Yesterday 21:33
I have a posting history of thousands of comments. And I'm also not afraid to use words that accurately describe the thing. We are allowed to say 'fuck' and 'cunt' on this forum. Just like you used the word 'fuck'.
Quoting HenriettaSwanLeavitt2
Lexibletheflexible ·
Yesterday 21:24
I don't know that it definitely does. What I do think is that any strong socio-political opinions which are nurtured largely in online spaces tend to feature people who behave in this kind of way if the platform permits.
The only reason I think people on here don't explicitly wish harm/death on those they disagree with in some parts of this site is because they'll be banned.
I think some just think "fuck it", make a sock account like the one above who called Alcove the C word, and say what they want to say.
Quoting Lexibletheflexible
HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 ·
Yesterday 21:20
So it's the ideology that makes them more violent than other women?
Quoting HenriettaSwanLeavitt2
Lexibletheflexible ·
Yesterday 21:19
No because plenty of natal women who are not trans and therefore not medically transitioning are vehemently not GC.
Quoting Lexibletheflexible
HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 ·
Yesterday 21:16
I suppose i would quibble with your use of the word 'many'. I imagine that the vast majority of death threats against women come from men, whatever their identity. I would be surprised if genderist women turn out to be more likely to post death threats than other women. Do you think that taking testosterone makes them do this?
Quoting HenriettaSwanLeavitt2
Lexibletheflexible ·
Yesterday 21:08
HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 ·
Yesterday 21:03
My point was that many of the people who make death threats/wishes against TERFs are women
I can't really comment unless I know what definition of 'women' you are using.