Sandie Peggie has lost her case against the nursing union.

[RhannionKPSS]

Terrible news

Quite the opposite - based on the people I have known over the years I suspect in private, in banter she'd slag off pretty much everyone except her own crowd. For gods sake, there are people I know who would have been just as offensive about white people from the next town along. There were jokes about Hillsborough FFS!

The really important question is - do you have any evidence whatsoever she actually treated people differently?

Yes, there's no evidence whatsoever that any racism impacted her practice at all.

No, you were happy she lost because you didn't like her views.

Are you saying that if those WhatsApp messages hadn't come out and she upheld your agreed moral character you'd be sad she'd lost? Because you believe Unions should support their female staff to have SSS?

That's the thing - I don't need it. She used racist slurs - openly and happily - and pretended she didn't know they were offensive. You may want to defend that - though I can only think of one reason why - but I don't. I wouldn't want her anywhere near me and my family.

Once again because you appear to be confused - this case wasn't about single sex spaces. She could have simply followed the rules - but she didn't.

No evidence it ever affected her practice then. Just hand wringing because you happen to know what this nurse said in private, while having no idea what the nurse next to her might have been saying to her friends.

I'm not defending her. I'm putting the condemnation into context because I think it's either incredibly sheltered, or simply opportunistic.

You said

Good. Awful woman. Has no business being at the forefront of the movement.

Awful woman.

You said 'Good' that she lost her case because you decided she's an 'awful woman '.

Not because of whether or not she followed the rules. Not on the merits of the case. But because you decided she's an 'awful woman '.

That is the long and short of it

I wouldn't skip reading comprehension next time.

Because it's not relevant.

People's rights to protection from discrimination under the Equality Act do not depend on them being nice people.

That's the thing about rights - they apply to everyone equally, even people you don't like.

If everybody hated you and decided you were 'vile' for whatever reason, you would still have rights. Would you like to change that?

Would you prefer for your human rights to depend on how nice or nasty the current zeitgeist considers your opinions to be? (Remember, it could change next week)

Or would you prefer to have human rights based on simply being human?

Well said. We only know this because of a smear campaign, which happened because she stood up for herself when harassed, victimised and discriminated against.

Weak response.

And FWIW it’s pretty clear to me which one it is. IMHO.

And we did discuss it in depth, at the time, on the tribunal thread. Which is still available to read for anyone interested.

Agree with you. Disappointing for Sandie Peggy but RCN do not come away looking in anyway competent. Hopefully many of the thousands of women employed by the NHS will consider joining an alternative union.

Sums it up nicely.

It might going forward if she returns to work is the point I'm making.

Everyone now knows she is a racist and many patients might have an issue with being seen by her.

That’s actually down to the Upton/Fife legal team, isn’t it?

Especially in spaces where the majority of women are okay with trans inclusive/genderist policies.

Who knows whether the majority of women are okay with trans inclusive/gendersit policies? I can't recall anyone ever soliciting my opinion. I would imagine that in fact a majority of women would not be OK with "trans inclusive" policies if they stopped to really think what it involved. I would say that we just hope it won't affect us - until we see a trans identifying man insisting that he belongs in our changing rooms.

Not great Peggie lost this case, but the during the case a lot of useful detail was exposed which showed her union definitely failed to support her. It couldn't prove that the union's failure was due to prejudice against those who know biology. It did show they didn't provide support.

This detail could very useful in her upcoming Appeal.

By the way folks interesting to hear that if you say something racist then your opinions on sex/gender are irrelevant. Given the number of "trans" folk that are openly anti-Semitic/racist pushing that line is a choice. Someone tell Windy and Mr Sparkles racists can't speak on trans stuff.

So like when TRA issue rape threats, death threats and threats of violence to women for saying men cannot access female spaces, call women bigots and transphobes for defending their sex based rights and disrupt women meeting to discuss their rights? I mean, how many protests have we seen with placards saying “kill à terf” and “the only good terf is a dead one”? I do assume these are the people you are taking about….

If Sandie was that racist and homophobic, then why did none of her 'friends' report her before she asked a man to leave the changing rooms?

She obviously blended into the whole ethos of the hospital staff if she never stood out, and it took a trawl going back years and years to even find one 'example' of anything bad to discredit her.

A bit like waving a woman's underwear round in court to prove she wasn't raped.

People that do this are disgusting. Utterly vile.

I dont remember who it was but they were definitely outraged by the fact someone who isnt GC thought poorly of someone who was.