The kind of “girl” that a boy who identifies as a girl thinks he is

[MyAmpleSheep]

How do people who celebrate the transitioning of five year old children know that the kind of girl a boy who identities as a “girl” identifies as is the same kind of girl that a girl who identifies as a “girl” is?

Other than than from what he sees girls doing, how can a boy “know” what being a girl is, to be sure he is one?

is it posited that there is an innate sense of boy:girl that exists outside of the experience of seeing and being the presence of others?

If a child was “raised by wolves”, could they be trans? If that child had a male body and reached the age of 20 never having seen or met or known of the existence of women is it possible for them to grow up with dysphoria? When eventually discovering the other sex would they suddenly recognize “they had been born in the wrong body”?

Knowing the anatomical names for their body parts and recognising/ identifying oneself to be a boy or girl are two entirely different things. I’m genuinely surprised that someone claiming extensive experience teaching young children needs this explained.

(And I’m even more surprised that someone struggling with such a simple distinction professes to understand gravitational time dilation. 😝 Very few people properly understand the latter — I certainly don’t!)

She also claims to have taught 16 year olds gravitational time dilation...

I don’t think you’re in any position to question the legitimacy of any claim given the bobbins you’ve posted on here.

Do you really imagine that a child’s understanding of being a girl must be founded on the expectation that she will one day give birth? 😱🥴🫠

really? Conversations with small children about giving birth and who does it happen all the time. Noticing that their mum is pregnant for instance.

I don't see the comparison?

I haven't made any personal claims except that I have kids. One of whom is 4 and another of whom has SEN.
Oh I also said I know a lot about this subject.

if any of those seem factually inconsistent to you please do explain how.

@Lacksie what a silly reponse.

I very clearly explained why I used an AI generated passage. Of course I know what the course content is - I deliver it every year or a variation thereof (setting dependent).

As because I teach it every year, I know very well what it teaches. It makes it explicit which body parts girls and boys have and that they are different.

I asked - which section would this hypothetical trans child benefit told is about them?

And what is perfectly developmentally normal is that as children learn about their body, they will begin to make links as to what their body will grow into and what it will be (hopefully) be able to do.

Should a little girl ask "will I have a baby in my tummy when I grow up?" (And it's an extremely common question) The response (obviously in child appropriate language) would be that it is a possibility. Might or could.
For this hypothetical boy who thinks he's a girl. The answer would unfortunately have to be No, sorry it will never happen for you.

For the love of god what is the point of this thread ?

Lacksie, for someone with ‘several children’ and a job how do you have the time to post non stop, including over night yet not actually make any sense?

I appreciate you have some view about children being guided to understand they may not be in the body they were born into but you are not making any sense as to why you think this apart from endless referrals to ‘stuff on the internet’.

Sir Robert Winston, the most eminent scientist of this century has told us. People cannot change sex.

What qualifies you to know better - without using the word gender?

I'm sorry what on earth as gravitational time dilation? What are you taking about?

I don't see the comparison?

I haven't made any personal claims

Obviously the word “comparison” has no meaning either anymore.

Who said anything about “personal” claims. You’ve posted a whole load of bobbins you claim to be true and blatantly isn’t, based on reality, facts, etc. So to cast doubt on the veracity of the claims of others makes you look a tad silly. Or more silly than you’ve already made yourself look with your endless bobbins.

For someone who has told so many posters to read and educate themselves before posting, perhaps you should follow your own advice. Please post a link to the part where HousePlantEmergency claimed to have taught 16 year olds gravitational time dilation, I must have missed it.

I know posters disagreeing with you just meld together into one big blob, but I believe that if you are going to make accusations about someone with the intention of also deriding them, you might want to check what you have typed before posting. Particularly, since you are also making a point about reading comprehension.

So, please link us up with where HPE has mentioned this.

You’re still conflating several entirely different things.

Of course children learn about their anatomy, physical development and reproduction, and begin making connections between them. I’ve never suggested otherwise.

What I’ve said is that a child’s understanding of herself as a girl isn’t necessarily derived from her knowledge of her genital. Children typically begin identifying themselves as boys or girls before they have any meaningful understanding of anatomical sex differences, reproductive biology, or what their bodies may eventually be capable of doing. In other words, their sense of themselves as boys or girls can precede their understanding of the physical characteristics that distinguish male and female bodies. This is entirely developmentally normal. As a teacher you should be able to understand that:

And what exactly is the difficulty with your hypothetical trans child? If she asks whether she’ll be able to become pregnant when she’s older, she can be given an honest, age-appropriate explanation that she won’t. Just as we can explain to any child that not all women can become pregnant or give birth.

Why do you imagine that recognising a child’s gender identity requires misleading them about their anatomy or reproductive capacities? These are distinct things, and it’s perfectly possible to acknowledge both.

Fair enough, I muddled them up with a different poster.

Apologies.

I didn't think you had posted about it....

For a poster so keen to jeer and sneer at others for not reading things, understanding what they are reading and misrepresenting stuff, I think the poster has highlighted what many others have been pointing out to them on this and other threads.

But hey, why would a poster stop years of patterned behaviour with fresh new name

it isn't me you should be apologising to.

And the poster had a valid point that you rushed to dismiss.

And before you then make a statement about them bringing your child into the discussion, I believe you personally introduced your child into this discussion.

If a 4 year old boy says he feels he is a girl, how does he know what being a girl feels like?

This is a genuine question. I asked a trans (male to female) person at my work how they know they are a woman, and what being a woman feels like, because I truly wanted to understand. They told me I was transphobic for asking. So if you can offer any explanation there, I'd appreciate it.

I don't believe I am transphobic but if my son told me he believes he is a girl, I would ask him why firstly but I would also explain to him that he is not a girl.

You won't get an answer other than 'they just know'. Alongside numerous assertions that they've already explained.

Excuse me.

That poster accused me of "badly letting down" my four-year-old daughter, not properly safeguarding her, and declared that I wouldn’t be cleared to work with children, all on the basis of a complete misunderstanding of what I’d actually said. I would say those accusations are considerably more personal, below the belt and egregious than mine to her.

my response was remarkably mild and polite under the circumstances.

So we have established that children learn whether they are girls or boys depending on what people tell them and what they observe. So either someone is telling this hypothetical boy he is really a girl or he is living in a strictly gendered household where he wants to do the things he sees girls do, bus is told they are for girls so he can’t. He then says he’s a girl just to be able to do them. (À la Susie Green and her husband)

That's a shame. I haven't seen anything that explains this on this thread or any other that I've read. Perhaps it's too complex a question.

Well yes, it’s all so very complicated but 4 year olds can totally sincerely believe they are a girl but can’t believe sincerely they are a dinosaur for some complex and hitherto unknown scientific reason.

To be honest @lacksie anyone with a 4 year old does plus several other children including one with GDD - is being on MN 24/7 really helping them? Surely your time with them is precious and vital to their development.

Whatever your agenda I would gently suggest you take time off here trying to GOTCHA us all and tend to your family.

It's been explained, at length, multiple times.
Gender identity which is a persons recognition of self in relation to the categories male and female, doest entail a conscious comparison of self against a set of criteria, on insight into the subjective experience of others. That's not how it works.

Interestingly, when I was first looking at this, male transactivists very much said the reason they felt like women was because they liked the dresses, the hair, etc.

We had one man on here claiming the reason he identified as a woman was because he could wear more 'vibrant' clothing.

it wasn't long, before gender critical women were pointing out the rank sexism.

Suddenly stereotypes were off the table entirely. Unfortunately, there is absolutely fuck all to replace them.

Hence we get things like data points, a constellation of ethereal imaginings, something in the drinking water, and now, some future nebulous scientific discovery and just knowing.

Which proves women's point just as much as it's all about the frocks.

So 4 year olds just “magically” know they are really the opposite sex with no input from any other source? So in that case, why can’t they “know” they are really a dog? Or a dinosaur? Or a banana?

The very first thing that is noted when a baby is born is sex. Sex (and yes, therefore gender) is repeated and asked about and noted and stated many times every day.

A child is told they are a girl or a boy. That is how they know. They learn the words. Its not rocket science or gravitational dilation. There is no quasi mystical 'gender essence'.

A child distressed about their body at a young age is concerning. Especially their genitals. To me it would suggest abuse.

So what does it entail?