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WellBN Brighton GP practice do not believe in evidence based medicine. TT at employment tribunal tomorrow

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impossibletoday · 07/10/2026 19:53

In case anyone is interested

https://x.com/LoudBonnet/status/2107877530602443058

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@tribunaltweets For CVP log-in, email [email protected] citing Redvers v NHS Sussex 6020988/2024.

https://x.com/LoudBonnet/status/2107877530602443058

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ICBmole · Yesterday 18:06

I know both of them I am team Redvers all the way.

PinkishPanther · Yesterday 18:07

Thankyou so much @MrPrettyDamnCosmic . So Redvers is taking R&R to tribunal for.... what? (sorry if I missed that bit)

ICBmole · Yesterday 18:16

Constructive dismissal

Tadpolesinponds · Yesterday 18:21

TempestTost · Yesterday 10:43

All true.

However, he has recently said, in response to a review which determined the evidence base for gender affirming care isn't there, that being " evidence based" isn't everything.

What these people are trying to push towards in care based on the principle that adults should be able to choose their own course of treatment, and doctors have an obligation to help them.

Now I suspect the good doctor mainly wants to keep his grant money flowing. But I do think this represents an overall challenging to both the idea of evidence based care as the way to decide what is appropriate, and to do not harm as the first principle doctors need to adhere to.

It's not only around gender affirmation either. It massively impacts things like assisted death, cosmetic procedure, and many other issues. And would I am sure have massive impacts on things like doctors being responsible for bad care decisions.

A while ago now, maybe 3 years or so, I read the Scottish Government's proposed policy on transgender care in NHS Scotland - the government was going through its usual token consultation exercise. The policy was basically
"Trans people are the ones who know what healthcare they need. The role of doctors is to listen to what the trans person says they want and to work with the trans person to achieve that."

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 18:45

@MrPrettyDamnCosmic Thanks. Glad to learn i was not the only one having difficulties following this

TheSnowQueen · Yesterday 18:59

Maybe the chaos at the ICB resulting from the government cuts and restructure have meant no one has grasped the mettle to settle this one?

Surely the outcome of the investigation has completely sealed the claimants case. She probably only wants a fulsome apology (and a couple months pay?).

Could be Adam Doyle insisting on defending it hmm.

Talkinpeace · Yesterday 19:08

So much NHS money being wasted on lawyers and malpractice

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 19:09

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 18:45

@MrPrettyDamnCosmic Thanks. Glad to learn i was not the only one having difficulties following this

I tend to find these cases easier to follow when the respondents are getting grilled, because I guess they often concentrate on issues I understand and can follow.

borntobequiet · Yesterday 19:17

ICBmole · Yesterday 18:47

Thank you. Very powerful writing.

NormalityIsOverrated · Yesterday 19:20

PinkishPanther · Yesterday 17:12

I'm entirely and utterly lost. I need a dummies explainer of what is going on and the significance of both questions and replies! I feel that this is such an important case - they touched on so many important aspects relevant to GP practice including the (entirely incoherent) GMC guidance re bridging prescriptions. I hope someone clever summarises <please>

Same. Please.

BettyBooper · Yesterday 19:30

Tadpolesinponds · Yesterday 18:21

A while ago now, maybe 3 years or so, I read the Scottish Government's proposed policy on transgender care in NHS Scotland - the government was going through its usual token consultation exercise. The policy was basically
"Trans people are the ones who know what healthcare they need. The role of doctors is to listen to what the trans person says they want and to work with the trans person to achieve that."

This v recent podcast by Beyond Gender goes through the history of the depathologisation and medicalisation of trans.

Lots will be known by many on here, but it's still pretty mind-blowing having it laid out step-by-step and how the health services were all completely hoodwinked.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wJFI-QnV8uY

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PinkishPanther · Yesterday 19:30

NormalityIsOverrated · Yesterday 19:20

Same. Please.

See thread. @MrPrettyDamnCosmic has done a fantastic job of translating it into an understandable format. And the Rachel Cashman article above is also helpful.

I do hope ICBs everywhere are taking note.

TheSnowQueen · Yesterday 19:37

Talkinpeace · Yesterday 19:08

So much NHS money being wasted on lawyers and malpractice

Maybe they just aggressively defend absolutely everything as a deterrent?

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · Yesterday 19:38

ICBmole · Yesterday 18:47

From the article

In this video made only a few weeks ago (), he described expanding his patient list from 60 to 2,500 with NHS Sussex’s knowledge and money, describing himself in this video as “the pied piper of trans healthcare”.

From google

In the traditional fairy tale, the Pied Piper leads 130 children into a magical mountain cave or a river because the town of Hamelin refuses to pay him for getting rid of their rats, and the children are never seen again

Pretty creepy self-image - I'm the person that enticed the children away from their parents never to be seen again

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Kirschcherries · Yesterday 19:39

As I read TT BW is cross examining to establish the timeline and at what point the C raised her protected beliefs. So far it’s clear GC was raised early but not when EBM was raised.

BW is also teasing out at what point the C had an issue with the individual players and in particular respondent 2.

KittyWilkinson · Yesterday 20:39

Reading all the background to this, thanks @ICBmole. Jeez. It's beyond words what I'm reading at the moment. It needs as much public airing as possible.

MyAmpleSheep · Yesterday 21:09

Kirschcherries · Yesterday 19:39

As I read TT BW is cross examining to establish the timeline and at what point the C raised her protected beliefs. So far it’s clear GC was raised early but not when EBM was raised.

BW is also teasing out at what point the C had an issue with the individual players and in particular respondent 2.

Does anyone know what the necessity is to establish a time at which point C raised her beliefs?

If something is protected, it's protected whether it's raised sooner, or later, or not raised at all, and regardless of whether the claimant knows or doesn't know they have that characteristic.

lcakethereforeIam · Yesterday 21:15

I think we're supposed to announce it, like a terfy Ali GC.

Kirschcherries · Yesterday 21:46

MyAmpleSheep · Yesterday 21:09

Does anyone know what the necessity is to establish a time at which point C raised her beliefs?

If something is protected, it's protected whether it's raised sooner, or later, or not raised at all, and regardless of whether the claimant knows or doesn't know they have that characteristic.

It could be to do with whether a claim is in time or not. That is just a guess on my part.

YourWatermelonship · Yesterday 22:40

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · Yesterday 17:12

Apparently there is public access to the electronic bundle so hopefully TT can link or host the actual documents so we can see the details of the case. As it is we have to gather what the story is from the hints we have from the cross examination. What I can make out so far & what I know from my background reading is this...

Dr Redvers qualified in 2000 is a GC GP & was Safeguarding Lead for the Sussex Integrated Care Board (the organisation that manages GP funds & services for Sussex).

Dr Sam Hall was born female married with children qualified in 1993 & a consultant anaesthetist who decided she was really a man & took testosterone & had her breasts cut off left her famiky & married a woman. She became a TRA & retrained as a GP in 2019 to better serve "trans" patients. She trained then worked at the WellBN GP practice from 2020.

Dr Redvers became concerned about Dr Hall setting up a de facto Gender Clinic when she had no training in gender medicine & was inappropriately prescribing PBs & CSH. For raising these issues it was Dr Redvers who was put under investigation for being transphobic. Dr Redvers believes that Adam Doyle the CEO of the Sussex ICB had a close relationship with Dr Hall & that was why the red flags being raised about Dr Hall were ignored & Dr Redvers punished instead by being investigated by someone who wasn't even a doctor. This is why Adam Doyle is R2 so he is forced to give evidence.

Eventually the bad medicine being practised by Dr Hall was too much even for Sussex ICB so they commissioned an external report that confirmed Dr Redvers was right all along. Dr Hall left WellBN & Adam Doyle has of course been promoted upwards to another NHS CEO role.

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Beautifully clear, thank you so much

KittyWilkinson · Today 00:00

From the above link Myrtle posted.
Dr. Redvers:
"The fact that I see evidence-based medicine as a non-negotiable core of medicine –and that this was so important to the role of Named GP Safeguarding Lead – had the effect that I was placed in direct conflict with the organisation and forced out. There is no other explanation for their conduct that I can identify. Even after I lodged these proceedings, I offered to settle this claim for £1 in exchange for actions from the Respondents which would not have caused them, or patients, any harm - but trather than accept that offer, they have instead litigated it to a conclusion.”

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · Today 00:00

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 23:21

Nick Wallis has just posted this report on the case

https://nickwallis.substack.com/p/nhs-knew-of-concerns-about-trans

Interesting and thorough description of the case background.

I always worry when I see statements like - “prescribing specific medications at considerably higher rates (>80% more) than the average for general practices” across the NHS Sussex area.
(from the article, describing findings of an investigation)

Why not use the actual calculated rate? Has the author chosen to obfuscate that the actual rate is much higher than the headline 80%

CohensDiamondTeeth · Today 01:25

lcakethereforeIam · Yesterday 21:15

I think we're supposed to announce it, like a terfy Ali GC.

No one is going to have time to be able to get anything done if we have to declare all our "beliefs" in reality or be punished for not speaking them aloud as a protected belief. It's complete madness.

"I believe sex is binary and matters. I believe in evidenced based medicine. I believe in gravity. I believe the world is round. I believe human beings need to breathe air to continue living..." and so on.

Edit for spelling mistake.