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Male couple granted legal parentage of a baby born through an unlawful Chinese surrogacy arrangement in which they would receive a refund if the baby was a girl.

42 replies

Imnobody4 · 06/10/2026 00:11

This is disgusting. These men have no moral compass and the law does nothing.

www.thetimes.com/article/2c8eb5d1-a22d-464c-b0e5-9d2a014d542a?shareToken=2b1c87683cdc202bf234fb860c960451
The couple’s surrogacy agreement stipulated the use of genetic testing during the IVF process to allow for sex selection, so that male embryos could be prioritised and transplanted into the surrogate mother’s womb first.

The contract also stated that the couple would be given a partial refund if a girl was born rather than a boy.

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Arran2024 · 06/10/2026 14:07

ScholesPanda · 06/10/2026 13:23

Commercial surrogacy is already illegal in both the UK and China, yet this has happened anyway. The case sounds complex- only one baby buyer is a UK citizen, he is originally Chinese, I wonder what strings he could pull to get officials there to ignore the law.
The other guy is not a UK citizen and both men live in a third country.

Whilst I don't agree with the outcome, I'm struggling to see another outcome that would have been preferable. Handing the child back to his mother probably wouldn't have helped- she didn't want to admit she had been part of such an arrangement, she may simply have sold or abandoned her child again. If the child was deported back to China I don't fancy it's chances in the Chinese care system (but I could be wrong on that).

Possibly the best outcome would have been to bring the child into the UK care system, but it's worth remembering our care system costs a lot of money for quite poor outcomes, which is why the authorities aren't keen on bringing more children into it unless they absolutely have to. Also, how you would enforce this whilst the child is in a third country, I don't know.

This is the mess international surrogacy causes.

Italy has made all surrogacy illegal. You cannot bring a child created by surrogacy overseas into the country. Here people are blatantly open about it.

believeinbelieve · 06/10/2026 14:18

This is so concerning. I have emailed my MP as suggested by the Surrogacy Concern website.

surrogacyconcern.uk/take-action-send-a-letter-to-your-mp-on-international-surrogacy-cases-coming-to-the-uk/

double0seven · 06/10/2026 14:22

Where's my Mummy ?
Do I have a Mummy ?
Why haven't I got a Mummy ?

I do hope they have some good answers at the ready. Poor child.

readingmakesmehappy · 06/10/2026 14:25

Arran2024 · 06/10/2026 14:07

Italy has made all surrogacy illegal. You cannot bring a child created by surrogacy overseas into the country. Here people are blatantly open about it.

Time for the law to be the same in the UK.

Pleasedontputthatthere · 06/10/2026 14:41

double0seven · 06/10/2026 14:22

Where's my Mummy ?
Do I have a Mummy ?
Why haven't I got a Mummy ?

I do hope they have some good answers at the ready. Poor child.

I'm not sure the lack of a female parent is the issue here!

Charlottian · 06/10/2026 15:12

believeinbelieve · 06/10/2026 14:18

This is so concerning. I have emailed my MP as suggested by the Surrogacy Concern website.

surrogacyconcern.uk/take-action-send-a-letter-to-your-mp-on-international-surrogacy-cases-coming-to-the-uk/

Thank you for this. I have emailed my MP.

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/10/2026 15:16

Whilst I don't agree with the outcome, I'm struggling to see another outcome that would have been preferable.

Haul them to Court. Sentence them to custodial sentences. Make them find and compensate the mother. Punitively high compensation. Have them serve their sentences consecutively so the poor kid at least has a home.

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/10/2026 15:19

Pleasedontputthatthere · 06/10/2026 14:41

I'm not sure the lack of a female parent is the issue here!

I think it's probably an issue here. Simply because they are misogynists. Men who hate women shouldn't raise any child.

sosomewhereelse · 06/10/2026 16:06

Pleasedontputthatthere · 06/10/2026 14:41

I'm not sure the lack of a female parent is the issue here!

Yeah, that comment, and a lot of this thread , stinks of homophobia.

and before anyone jumps down my throat accusing me of defending these particular disgusting men or surrogacy in general, I am not (obviously)

ScholesPanda · 06/10/2026 16:09

Arran2024 · 06/10/2026 14:07

Italy has made all surrogacy illegal. You cannot bring a child created by surrogacy overseas into the country. Here people are blatantly open about it.

What happens to the child in that case?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/10/2026 17:12

sosomewhereelse · 06/10/2026 16:06

Yeah, that comment, and a lot of this thread , stinks of homophobia.

and before anyone jumps down my throat accusing me of defending these particular disgusting men or surrogacy in general, I am not (obviously)

Edited

Seriously? Using claims of homophobia to silence posters talking about the human trafficking of children?
Have a word with yourself.

Arran2024 · 06/10/2026 17:14

ScholesPanda · 06/10/2026 16:09

What happens to the child in that case?

Italians don't do it any more.

sosomewhereelse · 06/10/2026 17:17

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/10/2026 17:12

Seriously? Using claims of homophobia to silence posters talking about the human trafficking of children?
Have a word with yourself.

I made explicitly clear I wasn’t silencing anyone or condoning human trafficking, surrogacy, or those men .
Have a word with yourself (and maybe learn to read)

Arran2024 · 06/10/2026 17:19

Pleasedontputthatthere · 06/10/2026 14:41

I'm not sure the lack of a female parent is the issue here!

It is one of the issues because the child does have a mother only the child is not allowed any contact. This is one of the issues about males using surrogacy whether a gay couple or a single male. Up until recently it was inconceivable that children could have no mother. It is preposterous imo. I have no problem with gay adoption btw. Adopted children know who their mother is even while not being raised by her.

Grammarnut · 06/10/2026 22:38

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JennyForeigner · 06/10/2026 23:01

What. the. FUCK.

Inhuman. This is inhuman.

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