The constant use of Groomer against TRAs is doing the GC cause harm

[RobynMiller]

Just seen this posted by Glinner
https://x.com/Glinner/status/2106504469651579047
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Russell T Davies says I called him "a paedophile and a groomer" in this. It's a lie. I did call him a groomer, because he used Doctor Who to push gender ideology, in which no child would believe unless an adult had planted it in his or her head.

And I just find it disingenuous from him. It's no secret I don't love his decent into more, let's call it, aggressive strategies on social media, but they are now coming home to roost and won't be good for any of us.

The word Groomer has a very specific history when it comes to CSA so to use it as often as he (and other) do and then claim you don't mean it in the very well accepted way is always meant just doesn't sit right with me.

Is there a term we can use that isn't sp precariously close to slandering someone as a Child sex abuser?

Here is the article he is referring to in the tweet

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/oct/03/russell-t-davies-interview-doctor-who-fierce-fandom-love-grief

Gender neutral toilets are ubiquitous in modern western society & have been for decades on airlines, restaurants, cafes bars AND in peoples on homes so having them separated is clearly more about functional practicalities & logistics than anything else.

Nope you claimed that theres a link so prove it
Men and women are biologically different hence men can never be women
I note that you still haven't given a definition of gender identity that doesn't rely on stereotypes or a gendered soul yet

'Biological' woman can mean female reproductive traits or female sex traits like morphology, hormones or genes so its a vague term where the scientific distinction is relevant.

What, 76 kids in one school??

I did love it when a TRA came on here and suggested that all their mothers drank the same water tho 😁

Your turn.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4681519/

😯

Even something about the way the advertising industry grooms us to accept contagious stereotypes, some of them harmful, some of them harmless.

You’ve used that word we’re not permitted to use. Our MRA’s will damn you.

Oh crikey, I'd forgotten. Come and have some sweeties and stroke our lab.

Research? Nada.

Correlation is not causation. Science 101.

Grooming's the wrong word, prove me wrong!

Deliberately. It's how those of us who play the chronophoto game guess dates based on shoe style or hat shape. We don't all wake up one morning and spontaneously decide that the next trousers we buy will have a different cut from the last pair. The advertisers groom us on behalf of their clients.

If gender neutral toilets are everywhere, why do adult males want to use female spaces?

What is your evidence to say that anyone is, in any real diagnosable sense, “born with a female brain in a male body”?

Or whatever your definition of “being trans” is.

From everything I have read written by psychiatrists working in the field, it is a wide ranging identity, adopted/arrived at for many different reasons. Gender dysphoria is a symptom only and not universal.

1. Homosexual men who are also very “feminine” in presentation feeling life would be easier if they were women.
2. Men with a sexual fetish for dressing as female (transvestites)
3. Men with a sexual fetish about imagining themselves in a female body (autogynephiles) often porn driven.
4. Autism and black and white thinking. “If I don’t fit in with my same-sex peers maybe I am the opposite sex.”
5. Girls identifying out of becoming adult females because of autism, or fear of adult sexuality (and pornified expectations), or bad experience of male sexual attention or abuse, or just the loss of childhood freedom that comes with periods and breasts.
6. Girls who are gay.
7. Girls who have been allowed to think that the only correct way to be a woman is to like pink, spend ages on appearance, make up, high heels, give up maths, football, climbing trees, flat shoes etc. Frequently with autism overlap.

What it isn’t is a single, simple phenomenon.

Every single trans identified person I know personally has been a young person 18-23 who has had difficulty fitting in due to ASD or ADHD. Every single one was vulnerable in some way, and remained so after announcing pronouns and name changes and starting hormones. It did not seem to improve their functioning in life, or make them happier (apart from giving them a tribe to belong to) but sometimes made them more rigid in their thinking.

Transition does not help everyone, particularly as it involves the constant stress of trying to deceive those around them.

That’s before we start on the effects of cross sex hormones, especially the effect of testosterone on the female pelvic floor.

Calling all these things “trans” is simplistic.

‘Dr. Who the tv show can't on its own groom children. It's like back in the day when people believed Brittney Spears was grooming their daughters into whores.’

Wow, Op @RobynMiller . Do you have any daughters, or nieces? I think most people would probably say that it would be inappropriate, over sexualisation of young girls (esp with school uniform), and of Britney herself. The machines of the music and film industries do not exist for the benefit of their artists. They make money off their backs. So, I would more say that Britney herself was encouraged, directed, groomed, to perform like this.

I suspect there are certain strata who think of young girls as ‘whores’, as you charmingly put it, rather than inappropriately oversexualised. Maybe those with an extra sexual kink, or fetish. Or misogynistic ideologies/religious perspectives. Or just those who disregard the way society influences, and uses young girls.

Like fuck it is.

It's not….by conservative monkey see monkey do 'logic' that denies individual agency.

The ironical part is the monumental lack of self awareness for the gender critical movement to define themselves as feminists. The idea of a women's rights movement that doesn't believe in individual agency particularly of women is …..bonkers.

But it cannot mean 'biological man'. It is not vague in any way.

Which is counter to the point you made which was that trans people use the word trans to distinguish themselves from people that actually ARE the sex that the trans person is trying to say they are.

You might want to wait until my images have been approved before you comment on my post.

oh, and we're talking about children. Something you have forgotten pretty quickly

Apart from the fact there aren't as many that make them easily accessible, being 'outed' is a privacy concern.

Individual agency is exactly what men would say when they want to ignore safeguarding.

Haha - trans people will be outed by using gender neutral toilets that are absolutely everywhere.

it's like Schrödingers toilet. Everywhere, and yet nowhere

To save you the trouble of dealing with these nonsense arguments about “feminine behaviours” you can read all of HowseitChopping’s previous arguments on the thread previously:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5398721-womens-private-spaces

Age and sex are crucial for safeguarding.

You are saying that adult men should not be outed as male.

How are you squaring that with safeguarding?

It is vague unless the biological framework is stipulated scientifically speaking.

And no its not contradictory because the contextual frame work distinguishes reproductive sex from sex traits..