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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Loyle Carner & JKR

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CarotidFartery · 15/08/2026 10:17

Picked up a car of teens from Boardmasters last week and was really bothered to overhear some of their conversations.

Among the over stimulated wittering they were talking about how much they liked Loyle Carner and they loved it when he shouted that he hated Nigel Farage and the crowd roared, and then when he shouted about hating JKR and everyone whooped.

I was 🤨 and pointed out that rabble rousing and shouting about 'hating' specific people should generally be avoided. There were some mutterings about her deserving it and then the conversation moved on.

I chose my moment to broach the subject with the teen that belongs to me this week. They doubled down a bit and said, "but isnt she racist and homophobic and transphobic?" So we had a conversation about not forming our opinions from myth and rumour, and maybe pondering why a middle aged feminist was the priority for slagging off to a crowd of impressionable teens. Of all the people in all the world to raise a rabble against?!

I have googled and it seems this is an integral part of his act. There doesn't seem to be much commentary about it online though.

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Lovelyview · 15/08/2026 22:49

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 15/08/2026 14:46

This was a reply to the tedious poster who called me a liar, btw.

But I guess lots of you defend that JKR repost. Outing yourselves as racists by attacking Khelif was a giveaway there.

Can't handle a cis Muslim woman being proud and strong rather than an object of Islsmophobic pity huh. What a surprise.

I'm very confused about why you think Imane Khelif is female. There is very clear evidence he failed two sex tests and he has refused to take another one to qualify for women's boxing. He is clearly male and only boxed at the Olympics because of their policy of accepting passport evidence of sex - which isn't evidence at all. The Olympic fiasco lead to them specifying that everyone taking part in the women's category now needs testing to rule out the y chromosome. Imane Khelif will not be participating in the 2028 Olympics because he is male. You know all this yet you continue to fight for him, even though a male punch is 162% greater than female punching power and by entering the ring with women he put them in grave physical danger. That is aside from taking Olympic medals from women. It's so clearly dangerous and unfair, yet still you continue.

BunfightBetty · 15/08/2026 23:43

Continuing to insist that Khelif is a ‘cis’ woman, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, strikes me as jumping the shark.

AimsAndObjectives · 16/08/2026 00:25

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/08/2026 15:26

We can never really know the reality of what posters on Mumsnet claim to be. There are a significant number who claim to be mothers yet their posts reveal that they have no clue about children, no insight into being a woman and zero experience of parenting.
As Mumsnet's fundamental aim is to "make parents' lives easier", I look with sadness at posters who post rage and intolerance aimed at other parents and their parenting. They're either disruptive trolls or carry such immense fury inside that their lives must be very difficult. Using women on here as their punchbag isn't acceptable but at the end of the day, it's up to Mumsnet to decide what constitutes the boundary between free speech versus being abusive to women and parents.

I think that some posters, when they talk about 'their child', may actually be talking about themselves when they were a child or perhaps retconning aspects of their childhood. I agree that they do not actually come across as parents themselves. There is certainly a terrible fury there, at someone or something.

Idontknowmuch · 16/08/2026 00:35

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 15/08/2026 14:42

I post truths you don't want to hear, notably the horrific effect online transphobia's having on trans kids in schools.

You don't want to hear them because you know you're part of that. Everyone who posts transphobic content is.

Going to defend JKR reposting that despicable comment about Jason Arday too?

I'm more worried about the horrific effects of online misogyny on women and girls. There is no such thing as trans kids, just vulnerable children brain washed into believing natural puberty is dangerous and the people trying to protect them from irreversible harm are thier enemies.

CarotidFartery · 16/08/2026 11:45

I post truths you don't want to hear, notably the horrific effect online transphobia's having on trans kids in schools.

Who is a 'trans kid'?
im what way are they identified as a discrete group?
What is transphobia?
What is different about online transphobia?

What are the harms occuring?
Do they impact 'trans kids' solely? Equally? Definitely?
What research has been done to find a causal link and rule out other variables such as pre existing mental ill health and ACEs?
Could the solution be as simple as reducing online exposure for vulnerable kids?
If it's only 'online transphobia' you feel is a risk then does that mean these kids dont experience any real life discrimination - isn't that protective?

Etc etc etc

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