How can the women's movement become so divided? Guardian article

[OneDreamyAquaEagle]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/aug/12/feminists-how-did-the-womens-movement-become-so-divided-and-how-can-it-reunite perhaps we can start by finally all agreeing that men cannot ever become women and work from there, Natasha?

Not our fault everywhere else struggles with the reality that men aren't women

I mean the rest of Europe in general (across countries); most mainstream feminist movements in Western and Northern Europe excluding the UK explicitly support self-ID, and most mainstream feminist movements in Central and Eastern Europe do not focus on it at all.

Right, so you're not prepared to talk about any country in particular or their history/background. Just generalisations.

I was thinking your post reminds me of Americans on Instagram who generalise about "Europe" as one homogeneous mass, and then I realised you are American.

What's the point of your comment? Different countries do things differently? No shit.

I think it's more a case of Feminists in Europe being frozen out of their own cause by faux feminist who are very effective at silencing Feminist's who object to their cause being hijacked by Gender Idiots.
You might be putting to much store into the misinformation your repeating.

I can definitely talk about individual countries, their feminisms, and their histories; it's just that my comment was applicable to all other European countries, though in different ways. The article title makes it sound like it is discussing feminism in general, when really it is discussing British feminism specifically.

Where's the misinformation?

Your whole comment was the misinformation

Interestingly enough, this divide is largely confined to the UK. Gender-critical feminism elsewhere in Europe is considered fringe and is largely rejected by the mainstream feminism movement within other European countries as being rooted in patriarchal expectations, while gender-critical people in North America are usually anti-feminist as well (as feminism itself is still controversial in the United States).

There's no such thing as Gender-critical feminism. There is only one Feminism and that is the belief in or advocacy of women's social, political, and economic rights, especially with regard to equality of the sexes.

Any so called 'feminism' that does not concern itself with the above is not feminism.

I don't see any women taking against migrant women, poor women, disadvantaged women etc.
But I do see women refusing to accept men in their spaces, and raising reasonable doubts about migrant men and the cultures they come from.
I'm afraid Natasha has her diagnosis all wrong.

I read this article the other day and the clanging and agenda-soaked clumsiness of an editor's change to this woman's story stands out like a massive dog shit on a birthday cake. I mean, she's never going to see it anyway, so what does accuracy of reporting matter?

Text and link (edited for brevity):
INTRO: In the five years since the Taliban’s return to power, the walls have been closing in on the women and girls of Afghanistan....Marking the grim anniversary, a dozen women and girls have, at great risk to their safety, documented their lives for the world to see

COMMENT: I am an undercover journalist in one of Afghanistan’s northern provinces, working under an alias....I have already lived through two house searches by Taliban officers. Since then, every knock at the gate fills me with dread. What if it is the Taliban? What if they enter the house while I am working on a report about a killing, interviewing a transgender person or writing the account of a survivor of violence?

As if these desperate, violently subjugated women in a country like Afghanistan have the luxury of contemplating that culture's non-existent trans population as one of the highest-rated fears of a Taliban raid. Only after that does "she" even get round to recounting a story of a DV victim, which must be tragically ten a penny in that barbaric society.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/ng-interactive/2026/aug/11/day-in-the-life-of-12-afghanistan-women-taliban

Yeah exactly. None of what she was talking about was Feminism - it was social justice work that women were expected to do for free. With a side order of Be Kind and Sitting Around The Kitchen Table. That ain't feminism Tash.

I also found it a bit weird that she seemed almost nostalgic for the heady days of Ireland not having abortion and Saudi Arabia banning women drivers.

The absolute cheek of the Graun to be publishing this hand-wringing twaddle when - by hounding out gender-critical journalists and pushing the TWAW line/trans people are sooo oppressed line - they've been very much part of the problem.

Natasha should be clearer in saying that she's sad feminists today have not embraced their Fourth Wave intersectionalism.
That's what she wants feminists to look at the rights of women thru the prism of intersectional politics. And that means budging up a bit, and sharing out the hard fought rights of the last century with those that score highest on the intersectional scale, the trans new women.
Amazing really, were feminists in the golden age she suggests of the last quarter century expected to champion the causes of any men?
No, I suggest that feminists spent their time fighting men who were instrumental in holding women back. Yet now, men can be women so Natasha feels they should be front and centre, yet feminism is going backwards while it shuns intersectionalism.

100% this, I hadn't thought of it that way, but I totally agree now that you put it there.

Natasha, you have undermined the premise of your article and by extension your new book by implying that men can be women. They can’t, and for that reason I won’t be buying your new book.

50 years ago, if anyone had suggested that women should accept transvestites as actual women, pretty much everyone else would have thought they were insane. Even more so if that person claimed to be a feminist.

Now we get the likes of Natasha telling us that we're not real feminists if we don't accept these blokes as women.