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The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.

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AsWithGlad · 10/08/2026 14:37

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Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very enthusiastic crew of gerbils, and any curious menfolk are welcome at the Staunch Ally down the road.

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MyrtleLion · 14/08/2026 13:09

ErrolTheDragon · 14/08/2026 10:11

I’m still struggling with getting back into the habit of reading, judging from reviews I’ve read or heard over the years some Bookers might put me off for good. Probably being unfair - I think I’ve read 2 or 3 and enjoyed them, including Possession which was one of those books I read and immediately read again, slower.

I did buy a new book when I was at a loose end in town yesterday while DH was in Specsavers though - following a few mentions on here I got Just One Damned Thing After Another.

It is brilliant. I loved it.

Magpiecomplex · 14/08/2026 13:15

MarieDeGournay · 14/08/2026 13:03

I used to set plagiarism traps for students - little quirks in essay titles or exam qq that referred directly to the lectures, or something - a bit of deviousness and imaginationWink
I was a tad impatient with colleagues who kept on setting qq which were easily plagiarised/essay milled and then complained endlessly about plagiarism..

It used to be quite easy to prove plagiarism - there was always an Americanism or a typo or the presence of a word like 'eleemosynary' in the middle of otherwise poor prose that kept popping up in a number of students' work...😏

I think AI has made it more difficult.
More deviousness and imagination on the part of examiners needed!

I'm very open with degree students that particularly poor attendance at a lecture will almost certainly result in that subject popping up as a mandatory question in the exam. Works on some more than others, but they can't say they weren't warned.

PastaAllaNorma · 14/08/2026 14:53

And I know Midnight's Children won the Booker of Bookers etc but I just can't read Salman Rushdie.

I like his books. Well, most of them. I also thought Knife was very interesting. DP would rather have his teeth pulled. Here's more of a murder mystery kind of guy.

I was in 2 book groups for 12 years and they did like picking Booker titles, whether winners or shortlists. I think the earliest I've read was The Siege Of Krishnapur (1973) which was great, and the most recent was Percival Everett's James (2024), which wasn't.

I read a couple of novels a week, usually. I'll take a break every now and again, but paperbacks are still my biggest addiction.

MyrtleLion · 14/08/2026 15:10

I really liked James.

EdithStourton · 14/08/2026 15:55

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/08/2026 12:38

Did it get a result, Edith?

It did.
I disliked the teacher in question and it was the end of the school year so falling out with her didn't matter.

I lay in bed the evening of the result absolutely fuming, and got up and wrote the letter at about 1a.m. I don't often lose my rag, but when I do everybody is advised to duck.

MyrtleLion · 14/08/2026 16:03

Next episode?

EdithStourton · 14/08/2026 16:10

PastaAllaNorma · 14/08/2026 14:53

And I know Midnight's Children won the Booker of Bookers etc but I just can't read Salman Rushdie.

I like his books. Well, most of them. I also thought Knife was very interesting. DP would rather have his teeth pulled. Here's more of a murder mystery kind of guy.

I was in 2 book groups for 12 years and they did like picking Booker titles, whether winners or shortlists. I think the earliest I've read was The Siege Of Krishnapur (1973) which was great, and the most recent was Percival Everett's James (2024), which wasn't.

I read a couple of novels a week, usually. I'll take a break every now and again, but paperbacks are still my biggest addiction.

I didn't like James. The basic conceit just irritated the bejassus out of me, and the story meandered endlessly along. I got bored and gave up.

The decision to start giving up when I got bored was settled for me by Possession. I absolutely loathed it (sorry, Errol). All the main characters annoyed me: they were patronising about the lower orders, they were often selfish and some of them were deeply sleazy. As far as I can remember, anyway - I read it over 10 years ago. I soldiered all the way through its 100s and 100s (and 100s) of pages hoping that I'd finally see the point, and never did. I vowed then that I wasn't wasting any more of my one valuable life on reading books I hated. I already waste enough of it sitting in queues on motorways on beautiful summer days, and cleaning my teeth, and wrestling with large and disobliging organisations like BT, and cleaning out the sink plughole because nobody else does, so tedious books can go in the bin charity box.

I like Pratchett, though. I used to read a lot of fiction but it's got to be good now to really hold my interest. And (surprise!) get through quite a lot of countryside books (Rebanks, Laurie, about to give Negus a go, read a very long one entirely about hedges during lockdown).

I've tried Rushdie a few times and it's always gone back on the shelf.

EdithStourton · 14/08/2026 16:10

Yes plz Myrtle.

EdithStourton · 14/08/2026 16:21

We have done something to the algorithm

I have just had an advert for a Fendt tractor pop up on my MN sidebar. When did Fendt (or the company that handles its adverts) start to think that MN was the place to flog large bits of agricultural machinery?

Was it the Valtra-coloured toenails that finally convinced them?

(Anyone new here, if you've not noticed, there are quite a few tractor fans in this pub...)

MyrtleLion · 14/08/2026 16:23

19. The Explanation

In which Gosie reveals an exchange...

The bordered sheet was still in the middle of the table, with the draft beside it. Governance was poised with the pen to write the letter declining Fenella Burnish’s offer when Gossamer looked up.

Gosie came in with @Hedgehogforshort behind her, and everyone turned their chairs round for a debrief. Gasket had the tea coming before Gosie reached the table, and Gantry moved the sugar along without being asked, while Girdle poured the milk.

Gosie put her notebook on the table and did not open it. “Brennard and Vye,” she said. “Gemma Glasswing told us everything. She’s the glazier we saw before. She talked for ages and never once looked as though she was leaving anything out. We know how they get the original glass out of a cathedral without anyone noticing.”

“Gemma Glasswing is making replicas to replace the original windows. There was a sample of blue glass on her bench,” said Hedgehog. “Fired, so she can see what the colour comes out as after firing. And a pot of paint to match it to. The exact same blue we saw in Norwich cathedral and on the stained glass in the crate on the yacht.”

Graft, Griffin and Girdle exchanged nods.

“I think I am confused,” said @PastaAllaNorma from the bar. “Because I have heard about Durham, Ripon and Norwich cathedrals, and I could not tell you what any of them have in common.”

“They all have the same symbol on them,” said @AngleofRepose, looking up from the atlas.

“MotM,” said Griffin, nodding slowly, as though this explained everything.

“What?” asked Gasket.

“Man of the Match!” said Grisaille confidently.

“No, that's football. MotM. Mark of the Margrave.” Griffin said it again with evident satisfaction. “It’s got a ring to it.”

“IT’S GOT DOOM IN IT,” said Gantry.

“That’s not what MotM spells,” said Gasket.

“IT’S GOT M IN IT TWICE,” said Gantry, “AND DOOM HAS AN M IN IT.”

“Mum has two Ms in it, and MotM is Mom with a t in it, which is American for Mum,” said Girdle.

There was a brief, confused silence.

“IS THE MARGRAVE SOMEBODY’S MUM?” said Gantry, considerably louder than the question required.

“Why would the man of the match be someone's mum?” asked Geometry.

“No one is anyone’s mum,” said Hedgehog, “can we please—”

“SHE COULD BE THOUGH,” said Gantry.

“SHE COULD BE ANYONE’S MUM,” shouted Girdle.

“THAT’S HOW SECRET IDENTITIES WORK,” said Gantry.

Gosie put her head in her paws. Angle, entirely unbothered, went back to the atlas.

Hedgehog put a paw over one ear, angling herself away from Gantry, and in doing so found herself facing the three folded contracts. She picked one up.

She read it. She turned it over. The back was blank. She read it again.

“Don’t sign this,” she said.

“Why not?” said Girdle.

“Because there is nothing in it about ending the contract. You have no way to resign, yet Fenella Burnish can sack you on a Friday and there would be nothing you could do about it.”

“We’re not signing it,” said Griffin. “Because it doesn’t say there is a most in it, but everything is a most. That’s what the letter’s for.”

“What letter?”

“The letter declining Fenella Burnish’s offer of employment,” said Governance.

“IT SAYS NO,” said Gantry.

“I’m about to write it out,” said Governance, indicating the bordered sheet waiting for the fair copy.

“Not yet, I’ll need to check it before it goes anywhere,” said Hedgehog.

“It only says, We regret we must decline,” said Governance, “and that we wish her well.”

“I want to check it anyway. After this,” she said, indicating to Gosie that she should continue her debrief.

Gosie continued. “The original stained glass is removed from the cathedral for restoration,” she said. “That part is legitimate. It goes to a conservator, and the conservator restores it. All the way through, the glass is photographed, and at the end there is one more photograph of the finished window. Sixty megapixels resolution. Gemma Glasswing can see the brushwork on it, and whether its colour is the colour of the glass, or the colour of the paint on the glass. Those photographs are sent to her, along with the fired sample and the paint they want her to use.”

“The exact same blue,” said Graft to Grind, who nodded.

“Yes,” said Gosie. “Gemma recreates the glass, and paints, and fires, and what she sends back is a replica as loose glass panes, unleaded, packed flat.”

“And that goes into the cathedral?” asked PastaAllaNorma.

“Eventually,” said Gosie. “Gemma Glasswing does not lead it and does not install it, so it goes somewhere else to be leaded first, and she says that where it goes is confidential.”

“I know where,” said Hedgehog.

Everyone turned to look at her.

“There was a delivery label on the bench, half under the photograph. H. Hes was on it, and then it stopped, and then Wicken.”

“That’s Fenella Burnish’s workshop,” said Gosie.

“Wicken Fen,” said Grisaille. “The oldest nature reserve in the country. Acquired for the nation in 1899 by the naturalist Charles Rothschild, who kept the deeds in a hatbox.”

“A hatbox?” asked Gantry.

“Cardboard,” said Grisaille. “Round, with a lid, and a green ribbon strung through the lid to carry it by. He kept a great many things in it.”

Girdle poured Grisaille another tea.

“So what happens when it gets to Fenella Burnish’s workshop?” asked PastaAllaNorma.

“We don’t know. We do know that the glass is leaded somewhere and then reinstalled in the cathedral,” said Angle. “And we have every reason to think it is probably Fenella and very little reason to think it is not. But short of standing in that workshop while she does it, we are not going to find out.”

"Oh," said PastaAllaNorma.

“The refusal letter,” said Hedgehog. “We’re not sending it.”

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/19-the-explanation

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.
NotAtMyAge · 14/08/2026 16:24

PastaAllaNorma · 14/08/2026 07:20

The year after he won the Booker prize.

No one else is picking up on this from @FuzzyPuffling ?????

Gosh! Missed that. It's what comes of skimming through desperately trying to catch up. 😳This retired librarian wonders whether Fuzzy's dad's book won while I was still at the library, handling stock acquisition and request waiting lists.

FuzzyPuffling · 14/08/2026 16:36

NotAtMyAge · 14/08/2026 16:24

Gosh! Missed that. It's what comes of skimming through desperately trying to catch up. 😳This retired librarian wonders whether Fuzzy's dad's book won while I was still at the library, handling stock acquisition and request waiting lists.

Couldn't possibly say.

Magpiecomplex · 14/08/2026 16:39

I've been melting in a classroom all day, interviewing prospective students. Well, that was the plan. More than half of them didn't turn up. So I've been on Mumsnet and watching weird things on YouTube because I was buggered if I was going to use the unexpected extra time for work just because I'd been repeatedly stood up by 16 year olds. And one thirty-something, but I didn't really expect him to turn up anyway.

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/08/2026 16:43

IS THE MARGRAVE SOMEBODY’S MUM?” said Gantry, considerably louder than the question required.

Could the Margrave be Gubbins’s mum?????

So the gerbils are going undercover?

Kitty’s very good at going undercover & finding useful clues, but she’s also probably a bit too keen on playing with feathers for that to be a good idea.

NotAtMyAge · 14/08/2026 16:43

FuzzyPuffling · 14/08/2026 16:36

Couldn't possibly say.

I had a 24 year career there, so lots of possibilities, Fuzzy. 😁

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2026 17:23

Re: Pratchett

I tried his first two Discworld books and wasn't fond.

Then one year, DH bought me Maskerade for Christmas and I was hooked. I do love all the witches.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/08/2026 17:27

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2026 17:23

Re: Pratchett

I tried his first two Discworld books and wasn't fond.

Then one year, DH bought me Maskerade for Christmas and I was hooked. I do love all the witches.

It’s generally reckoned the first two aren’t nearly as good as the rest.

EdithStourton · 14/08/2026 17:43

Undercover gerbils...

Brains would like to volunteer herself for research work in the area around the workshop. She's very good at getting right into bramble thickets. And reed beds. She doesn't mind mud.
Batshit would like to volunteer herself for... er... as a distraction!

Magpiecomplex · 14/08/2026 17:49

EdithStourton · 14/08/2026 17:43

Undercover gerbils...

Brains would like to volunteer herself for research work in the area around the workshop. She's very good at getting right into bramble thickets. And reed beds. She doesn't mind mud.
Batshit would like to volunteer herself for... er... as a distraction!

I'm sure both of them would perform their allocated roles perfectly!

Magpiecomplex · 14/08/2026 17:50

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2026 17:23

Re: Pratchett

I tried his first two Discworld books and wasn't fond.

Then one year, DH bought me Maskerade for Christmas and I was hooked. I do love all the witches.

I want to be Granny Weatherwax when I grow up.

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2026 17:53

Magpiecomplex · 14/08/2026 17:50

I want to be Granny Weatherwax when I grow up.

nods enthusiastically

Mind you, Nanny Ogg possibly has a bit more fun.

MarieDeGournay · 14/08/2026 18:00

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/08/2026 16:43

IS THE MARGRAVE SOMEBODY’S MUM?” said Gantry, considerably louder than the question required.

Could the Margrave be Gubbins’s mum?????

So the gerbils are going undercover?

Kitty’s very good at going undercover & finding useful clues, but she’s also probably a bit too keen on playing with feathers for that to be a good idea.

I loved all the 'yeah but she could be somebody's Mum/there's an M in it' conversation😂
I wondered if the Gerbils were going to go to undercover - but then I wondered how that was going to work, how long could they keep up a pretence? 😦
I think Batshit may be key here - every time a Gerbil blurts out 'But we're only here to find out ..', Batshit could find something really really exciting to chase at that very moment...
Brains could be back-up, 'Gosh yes Bats, that's really really exciting, look over here everyone, there's something really really exciting over here!'
and because she's Brains, everybody would believe her....

Magpiecomplex · 14/08/2026 18:00

WearyAuldWumman · 14/08/2026 17:53

nods enthusiastically

Mind you, Nanny Ogg possibly has a bit more fun.

That's true. And Greebo.

EdithStourton · 14/08/2026 18:14

I found Gillian.
I think she came off worst in the game of monopoly utter carnage yesterday evening. She's spent all day in the woods by herself.

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.
EdithStourton · 14/08/2026 18:18

So Brains gave her a ride home to cheer her up, and I loaned her my sunglasses to make it less obvious that she'd been crying.

Poor Gillian. She does get herself into some scrapes.

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.
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