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The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.

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AsWithGlad · 10/08/2026 14:37

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Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very enthusiastic crew of gerbils, and any curious menfolk are welcome at the Staunch Ally down the road.

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Boiledbeetle · 13/08/2026 17:01

PastaAllaNorma · 13/08/2026 16:17

Congratulations AnonySon and well done AnonyMum!

Enjoy the muhamarra, Kitty

Here's my lunch - from left: basket with bread, plain yogurt, yellow courgette and herb salad, tzatziki, orange and beefsteak tomato salad, muhamarra, hummus, cucumber and dill salad, confit black chickpeas with orange and baharat, spinach and feta bourek.

Oh, and a bottle of elderflower cordial to have with plain or sparkly water

Can I come live with you? My lunch was 2 cold sausages and a pot of yoghurt. Yours looks lush.

EdithStourton · 13/08/2026 17:03

I've just skimmed the past 24 hours of posts so I'm sorry if I've missed a heart or a thumbs up anywhere. And welcome to our newbies. @AnonyMumAuDHD I've seen you doing sterling work on the Jason Arday thread.

DH watched the eclipse through our special specs last night, but all my photo attempts were failures. I went out onto the field behind the house towards the end and a bloke was walking his dogs along the path. He thought it was all over so I passed him my special specs. 'Oh! Oh WOW! Wow!'

What was odd was sitting in sunlight that was still quite bright, but felt heatless, like winter sunlight, when the air and everything in the garden was so dry and warm.

Not much else to report. The agricultural year continues to turn - I took B&B for a short walk (given it was 32C in the shade) and the verges had all been trimmed and a man in a Massey was busy with a disc harrow on the big SFI field. Clouds of fine dust, and a buzzard that glided over very low, probably hoping for worms. I've seen my first trailer-load of onions and the spuds are next.

Boiledbeetle · 13/08/2026 17:05

AnonyMumAuDHD · 13/08/2026 16:46

My DH swears by CoPilot in creating and summarising reports for work. What I don’t understand though, is why his workload hasn’t decreased since he started using it?

I think it will lead to lecturers/teachers/tutors having to be very inventive to limit students being able to use it… perhaps a hand drawn poster, using felt-tip and crayon?

It's definitely going to be a problem going forward. Most of us on here are of an age where we know enough stuff about enough things to know that AI doesn't always tell the truth, and has hallucinatory moments. But the kids coming out of school just blindly trust it and presume because it's a computer it's going to be correct.

Magpiecomplex · 13/08/2026 17:07

AnonyMumAuDHD · 13/08/2026 16:46

My DH swears by CoPilot in creating and summarising reports for work. What I don’t understand though, is why his workload hasn’t decreased since he started using it?

I think it will lead to lecturers/teachers/tutors having to be very inventive to limit students being able to use it… perhaps a hand drawn poster, using felt-tip and crayon?

Yes, we're seriously looking at going back to handwritten work under controlled conditions. I like presentations as a way to spot the ones who clearly don't understand what they've written, because you can put them on the spot with questions. But honestly, we shouldn't need to. We should be able to say "use AI to help digest research, to help with SPAG, and to help format your work correctly, declare when you've done that, but your work must be your own work" and trust them to do that. At least in the days of essay mills they usually had to actually find a source and pay for the output, which showed a small amount of initiative, but these days we have to be constantly thinking of ways to trip them up.

MyrtleLion · 13/08/2026 17:13

AsWithGlad · 13/08/2026 16:32

Yes, well done and hurray to AnonySon and @AnonyMumAuDHD!

Also, thank you for the comments about the fridge. There’s a separate fridge thermometer in there was well as the automatic digital readout. I must pay more attention to the first one. It’s a full height integrated fridge, not many years old, so I hope it doesn’t need replacing.

You have to turn the fridge down in warm weather, from a 3 to a 4 or 5. It makes the fridge work harder, but keeps the temperature colder. We have a fridge freezer with a temperature setting instead, so it's a constant 4 and -18 degrees.

But the Walrus batch cooks at the weeekends and I worry that it's left out at room temperature too long, or the flies get to it - we haven't had that many, though. We have a mesh dome to cover the food as it cools, but he doesn't use it immediately.

MyrtleLion · 13/08/2026 17:13

More Gosie?

Coming up.

EdithStourton · 13/08/2026 17:17

Magpiecomplex · 13/08/2026 17:07

Yes, we're seriously looking at going back to handwritten work under controlled conditions. I like presentations as a way to spot the ones who clearly don't understand what they've written, because you can put them on the spot with questions. But honestly, we shouldn't need to. We should be able to say "use AI to help digest research, to help with SPAG, and to help format your work correctly, declare when you've done that, but your work must be your own work" and trust them to do that. At least in the days of essay mills they usually had to actually find a source and pay for the output, which showed a small amount of initiative, but these days we have to be constantly thinking of ways to trip them up.

I think handwritten work (or work typed onto a special laptop with no info and no Internet connection), in a large quiet invigilated hall, with no smart watches, might be the only way to go.

That will really weed out the ones who have done all their coursework via AI.

I remember when open-book exams came in and I was 😮How naive I was!

PastaAllaNorma · 13/08/2026 17:18

Edith, our neighbour loaned us his eclipse specs and it was so cool!

MyrtleLion · 13/08/2026 17:34

18. Recognition

In which the gerbils are seen…

It was Gasket who noticed it, from behind the bar, and said, not loudly, “Graphic hasn’t drawn anything since the contracts came.”

Everyone looked, and then everyone stopped looking, because looking at Graphic was known to be counterproductive. She was in her place by the window with her coat still on. The pen roll sat on the sill, tied shut. The contract lay flat where her inks usually stood, and the inks were nowhere on the table at all.

“Well, of course she hasn’t,” said Griffin. “Fenella Burnish saw Graphic’s ivy border. On a letter asking for an appointment. Nobody asked for a border. We were writing to ask whether she would meet Gosie
, and Graphic drew a border because she wanted to make the letter pretty, because that’s what she does, and Fenella Burnish wrote back about the border, not about the appointment.”

Griffin had both paws on the table now and barely paused for breath. “She saw the ivy stroke had been corrected, and she liked it better for it, even though anyone else would call that a mistake. That’s her whole trade. Fenella Burnish looks at a thing and tells you whether it was made by a hand or a machine. And every time she wants what’s made by hand. Graphic’s hand.”

“That’s true,” said Gimbal.

“She held my map up in front of me and said she’d had architects hand her worse and charge for it,” Griffin had hit her stride. “She counted the rooms twice. And she looked at Gimbal and saw the gift of making things special that we all see and no-one can name, and gave her a job without a title, because the gift was what she wanted.”

Gimbal interrupted, “Fenella said she’d work out a job title later,” she said. “I’ve been doing it since before anyone knew me and nobody ever asked me to. I just knew that the pressed flower on the envelope would matter.”

Griffin continued, “Fenella has only ever seen Graphic put colour on paper, yet she’s trusting her with the colour in the windows.”

Nobody had told Graphic to create and decorate a border. No set hour had been required, and no seeds had been counted out. The map had been drawn when Griffin wanted to draw it, in whatever time there was, which was as much time as was needed. Gimbal had found a rare and perfect pressed marsh pea flower and added it to the envelope. That was the work Fenella Burnish had noticed and had proposed to buy from nine until five, six days, breaks not at the bench, twenty seeds on a Friday, ten days’ holiday and a rest day to be agreed in advance.

@AngleofRepose looked up from the atlas. “Fenella Burnish recognised what you do and made an offer,” she said. “That is something. And that recognising can’t be taken back.”

“We recognise you, too,” said @ChristmasStars. “We recognise all of you. Glockenspiel, Gasket and Gimbal built a ballista in a longboat in the dark and allowed for a crosswind that never came, to send a boarding line over to the yacht. Then @DauntlessDamson ignored it and used her bow to send the line across and none of you ever mentioned it again.”

"It was available, that's all," said Gasket. "A longboat without a ballista is just a boat."

“Geometry made a Dutch windmill complete with drainage canals, out of packing card in the middle of a search,” Christmas Stars went on. "Nobody asked for that either."

“What else would I do with the packing card?” said Geometry, perplexed, “Leave it flat?”

“You did it because you were helping.” said Christmas Stars.

MyrtleLion gave us luxury seeds for helping,” said Girdle.

“And for coming back safely,” said Gantry.

All the gerbils nodded.

Griffin, Gimbal and Graphic looked at their contracts. Then Griffin folded hers along its existing creases, ran her thumb along the fold, and set it down slowly in the middle of the table. “I’m sending this back,” she said.

Almost under her breath, Gimbal said, “Twenty seeds a week,” then folded her contract carefully and rested it on top of Griffin’s. “Me, too, but we must write back. Properly.”

“Then it has to be drafted,” said Governance, opening the notebook again.

By the window, Graphic took off her coat at last and hung it on its hook. She picked up her contract, looked at it for a long moment, and placed it on top of Gimbal’s, then she sat down, untied the pen roll, and uncapped a pen, and the only sound for a while was the nib.

Dear Fenella Burnish,” said Governance, writing it.

Nobody objected to that, which was the last time nobody objected to anything.

“What do we say?” asked Ganges.

“We explain our reasons for turning down her job offer,” replied Gasket.

“What are our reasons?”

Nobody had one immediately, so several were supplied at once.

“The seeds go in,” said Gantry. “I won’t have it said we sniffed at them.”

“And say what about them?” said Girdle.

Gantry thought about it. “That there were twenty.”

“There were twenty,” said Girdle. “That’s all any of us can put.”

“Then put the hours,” said Ganges.

Nobody put the hours.

“The bench goes in,” said Gasket. “She was quite correct about the bench and I’d like it put in that she was correct.”

Governance wrote the bench down.

“And the birthday,” she said.

“Do they know they only get one?” said Gantry.

“Only one?” said Ganges.

“One a year each,” said Girdle. “Separately.”

“Won’t it be lonely, having a birthday on your own?”

Nobody had an answer to that.

“Put the birthday in,” said Gasket eventually.

“Put in what about the birthday?”

“Just put it in.”

Governance wrote for some time. Then she read the whole thing back, and by the end of it there were four numbered paragraphs and a subsection, and the phrase notwithstanding the foregoing had got into it from somewhere, and everybody had become slightly dazed.

@Boiledbeetle, who had been on the same stool since two and had been watching the exchanges, said, “It only has to say no.”

Nobody argued with that. Governance turned to a clean page.

Dear Fenella Burnish.
Thank you for your offer of employment. We regret we must decline but we wish you well.

“That’s it?” said Girdle.

“That’s it,” said Governance.

“We can’t just leave it at that,” said Girdle.

“You’re right. Add Best wishes,” said Griffin.

“We’ve already wished her well,” said Gimbal. “You can’t wish her well and then wish her best. It’s the same wish twice.”

“Then Warm regards.”

“Warm regards is what you put when you’ve met somebody twice at a thing,” said Gimbal.

“We have met her twice,” replied Griffin.

“We were in her workshop for an afternoon. That is not twice at a thing.”

Kind regards,” suggested Girdle.

“Kind is what the bank puts,” said Gimbal.

Griffin said that she had never had anything from a bank, and Gimbal said that was not the point, and Girdle offered sincerely, which was rejected by everybody immediately and without discussion.

Graphic, who had not looked up, said, “Yours.”

Governance wrote Yours.

“It wants decent paper,” said Gasket. “You can’t send that on anything ordinary. Not to her.”

Graphic came over from the window and put a sheet of paper down on the table. It had a worked border along all four edges, ivy running one way and stained glass panes the other, and in the middle of it a clear space, the exact size of three lines.

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/18-recognition

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.
MyrtleLion · 13/08/2026 17:44

The gerbils have probably spent the day re-enacting Little House on the Prairie. I'm sure they'll change out of their traditional costumes shortly.

Magpiecomplex · 13/08/2026 17:44

EdithStourton · 13/08/2026 17:17

I think handwritten work (or work typed onto a special laptop with no info and no Internet connection), in a large quiet invigilated hall, with no smart watches, might be the only way to go.

That will really weed out the ones who have done all their coursework via AI.

I remember when open-book exams came in and I was 😮How naive I was!

We ask some of ours to do an initial piece of work right at the start of the year to help make sure they're on the right course. For my group, that will be handwritten without access to tech, and will be followed by a discussion with me about it. Otherwise they take it home and Mum writes it. Or Dad's PA, in one memorable case. The student in question forwarded the work by email without deleting the email chain that made this abundantly obvious!

Magpiecomplex · 13/08/2026 17:46

MyrtleLion · 13/08/2026 17:44

The gerbils have probably spent the day re-enacting Little House on the Prairie. I'm sure they'll change out of their traditional costumes shortly.

They do look adorable though 💙

PastaAllaNorma · 13/08/2026 18:09

Or Dad's PA, in one memorable case. The student in question forwarded the work by email without deleting the email chain that made this abundantly obvious!

Bugger me! Really?? That's mad

Magpiecomplex · 13/08/2026 18:14

PastaAllaNorma · 13/08/2026 18:09

Or Dad's PA, in one memorable case. The student in question forwarded the work by email without deleting the email chain that made this abundantly obvious!

Bugger me! Really?? That's mad

I swear every year should start with a simple instruction.

Do not assume your lecturers are stupid.

AngleofRepose · 13/08/2026 18:15

Oh, they're staying! 😁Happy happy happiness!

I have done nothing today. Except some laundry. And waiting around for a package that has clearly disappeared off the face of the earth. It's been 12 days since they sent it from London. It doesn't exist anymore, does it?

Hot again. 32C I think. Too hot to do anything else (I got more blackberries in the heat yesterday before the eclipse. Not doing that again!)

It's not normal to think "well, tomorrow won't be so bad, it's only going to be 27" is it?

Not normal.

ps. hello @AnonyMumAuDHD !

Magpiecomplex · 13/08/2026 18:24

Forecast says 35 today and 34 tomorrow here. My car said 36 on the way home. Too hot.

Boiledbeetle · 13/08/2026 18:42

So glad the gerbils decided to stick with the much better option of us!

That beetle in the story has been reading too much mumsnet!

Boiledbeetle · 13/08/2026 18:44

Magpiecomplex · 13/08/2026 18:24

Forecast says 35 today and 34 tomorrow here. My car said 36 on the way home. Too hot.

I have done absolutely fuck all today. I reckon I did enough yesterday though, and today I'm nursing burnt shoulders and have remembered why I don't wear vest tops or usually venture out into the back of the house during sunlight hours!

ChristmasStars · 13/08/2026 19:25

@Boiledbeetle, who had been on the same stool since two and had been watching the exchanges, said, “It only has to say no.”

Yes! No is a complete sentence. If we haven't learnt that from years of MN then we haven't learnt anything!

Boiledbeetle · 13/08/2026 20:18

OK who put Monopoly back in the Board Games room???

It's carnage in there.

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.
Boiledbeetle · 13/08/2026 20:22

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The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.
ErrolTheDragon · 13/08/2026 20:22

Magpiecomplex · 13/08/2026 17:44

We ask some of ours to do an initial piece of work right at the start of the year to help make sure they're on the right course. For my group, that will be handwritten without access to tech, and will be followed by a discussion with me about it. Otherwise they take it home and Mum writes it. Or Dad's PA, in one memorable case. The student in question forwarded the work by email without deleting the email chain that made this abundantly obvious!

wtf do parents collude in their offspring cheating themselves of education?

FuzzyPuffling · 13/08/2026 20:28

When i was a teenager, we'd been out as a family all day, visiting sickly grandparents. My sister had been unable to find time to write a poem for her English homework so our dad quickly wrote one for her. It only got B+.

The year after he won the Booker prize.

Teacher failed to recognise talent there! 😀

EmpressaurusKitty · 13/08/2026 20:37

I’ve been testing my new tooth. It’s coped with crunching an apple & nuts so the next challenge is crusty rolls. One more stretch & fold tonight & they’ll be ready to bake tomorrow lunchtime.

Do the gerbils play Scrabble too?

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