Q, non binary male MEP says rape is a spectrum and has been demonised.

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Apologies if someone's already posted and missed it but I've not seen it from a quick scan.

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i have no words!!!

A woman is not capable of rape…according to UK law.

A bit like Jason Arday's rise to fame.

@SylvanMoon, Jason Arday appointment

• Ideology
• woke
• EDI
• Suits Cambridge progressive narrative

Without attempting to derail the thread, I am struggling to get my head around this one.

The selection of Manivannan by the Greens meets the exact same criterion.

How does this keep happening?

Because they're enabled by people who are so open minded that their brains fell out.

This!

I don’t think it is, by a distance. Probably not the worst thing he's said, even. But I don't think it's time to get the pitchforks out. He still seems an unpleasant individual who should not be occupying the post he does, especially as apparently he does not even have the right of abode for the length of the parliament. When people praise the benefits of PR, I often think, look at Scotland!

He should fit right in.

There is a lot of discussion about the definition of rape within the trans community. But little from the perceptive of victims.

I think these men start the conversation to see how far they can push it, and backtrack if they get negative reactions.

That's precisely what it's about.

'Nooo the other men, not me I'm special, pure and above reproach.'

So which rapist's does he think don't deserve to be ' demonised'?

Yesterday an old-fashioned phrase came into my head: speaking with forked tongues. Seems to me today it's ubiquitous. You hear it everywhere, and so often, it gets hard to keep hold of the truth. The Greens are one example amongst many.

In Scots law, a woman who calls herself a transman and has a fake penis constructed from skin is theoretically capable of rape.

non-consensual penetration of a vagina or anus with an object is legally defined as assault by penetration, not rape

Wonder if any TRAs would take up a court case to have a fake penis recognised as an actual one.

In such a warped world wouldn't be surprised.

Edited to add this is the same in both the law in England and in Scotland

In Scottish law the definition of a penis in respect of rape includes a surgically created penis

Well so much for internet search engines. None of them came back with that info.

Do you have the source?

It's interesting, having watched the clip from the podcast, how he centres the rapist rather than their victim, and seeks to make the rapist relatable and sympathetic, while the victim is practically erased.

People, like him, talk about trying to get rid of the 'myth of the monster rapist', but what they don't seem to understand what the issue with that myth actually is. It's not that genuinely nice, decent men can – whoops! – accidentally engage in a little light rape, it's that rapists are very good at appearing nice, charming, and normal to others, so they don't appear to be monsters.

But he doesn't care about that. Or anything, except self-publicity, it seems.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2009/9/section/1

Yes, quite.
Only people with a penis can commit rape, although the penis may be surgically constructed.
I’m quoting the law in Scotland because he’s a member of the Scottish Green Party. (It’s similar in England and Wales although the legislation.gov.uk link I found didn’t mention the surgical construction part)

Does he think that people without a penis are non-persons, or aren’t worthy of consideration?

The section about him claiming a lower-caste background reminds me in a very small way of someone else claiming things about his childhood where the evidence doesn’t seem to support it.

Here's the relevant section from the Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009:

(4) In this Act—

• “penis” includes a surgically constructed penis if it forms part of A, having been created in the course of surgical treatment, and

• “vagina” includes—

(a) the vulva, and

(b) a surgically constructed vagina (together with any surgically constructed vulva), if it forms part of B, having been created in the course of such treatment.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/q-manivannan-full-comments-even-37528710

There's a transcript here.

I'm struggling to understand why he even raised the subject of rape and rapists in this context.

The interviewer sounds as bonkers. She says rape isn't always "scary" and he just agrees and runs with it.

I miss the good old days when only established media sources had a mouthpiece... what even is "The SubjectiveSpace Podcast"?! Who are these people!

It's not that they don't do any due diligence. It's that they specifically choose these people. Creeps flock together for safety in numbers