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Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton, following Employment Tribunal judgment - thread #62

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nauticant · 03/08/2026 18:00

Judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6936ce28a6fc97b81e57436a/S_Peggie_v_Fife_Health_Board__Dr_Upton.pdf

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.
Following handing down of the judgment on 8 December 2025, on 11 December 2025, it was announced by Sandie Peggie and her legal team that they would be pursuing an appeal and it was reported on 3 August 2026 that leave to appeal had been granted with an expectation that the appeal proceedings could take place in court early next year (2027).

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 60: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5461133-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-60 16 December 2025 to 8 January 2026

Thread 61: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

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Hoardasurass · 14/09/2026 12:37

AimsAndObjectives · 14/09/2026 09:54

I think it's interesting that she hasn't been seemlessly shifted into some other senior role. I fully expected her to pop up somewhere else in the public or charity sectors.

As she is a named defendant in an ongoing highly public series of crt cases with global notoriety only an idiot would employ her in any role let alone a managerial position.
Basically shes kryptonite to any charity or government body, hence I suspect the carer change

poodlemum01 · 14/09/2026 13:41

hmmm, seems carol potter has deleted the instagram account that was mentioned in the sun article.

JonBonJ · 14/09/2026 15:49

Imagine booking a PT who can't tell what sex you are.

GoldThumb · 14/09/2026 17:12

Igmum · 11/09/2026 17:26

Well done to the Scottish Information Commissioner and I’m looking forward to a few Courier articles showing exactly what went on behind the scenes. Hope St Andrews is proud of its new honorary prof.

He is sooo fucking over NHS Fife, isn’t he?
I image the thinning line of patience snapped a while ago.

WearyAuldWumman · 14/09/2026 21:56

JonBonJ · 14/09/2026 15:49

Imagine booking a PT who can't tell what sex you are.

"Well, Beth, you're not very good on the abductor and adductor machines. I can't imagine why you can't manage as much weight as the other girls, given your very womanly pelvis."

NebulousSupportPostcard · 15/09/2026 13:03

Upton's dad, Jeremy worked at St Andrews as Deputy director of Library services, until he moved to Edinburgh in 2015.

And Carol Potter as Chief Exec oversaw the development of the new medicine training programme between Fife and St Andrews. www.nhsfife.org/news-updates/latest-news/2024/03/nhs-fife-agrees-major-new-partnership-with-the-university-of-st-andrews/

So there will be plenty of connections there that led to the nomination of Potter's honorary professorship.

Presumably Fife College will be happy to draw on Potter's connections in her FE governor role and strengthen their own links with funnelling their students to University or into healthcare roles through Access courses, health and social care etc

So, while she deserves no special honour, Potter may at least have found a socially useful niche for herself, at last.

Life isn't fair but it is soothing to think of the mortifying public exposure that may still be ahead as Sandie's personal claims against Fife staff move forward.

SirChenjins · 15/09/2026 13:12

Let's hope that while she does this, she remembers and educates on the legislation designed to protect the safety, dignity and privacy of her female students and the women they will care for in their careers - because her knowledge on this seems strangely lacking for someone with her background.

KnottyAuty · 15/09/2026 18:10

This might be interesting for Carol. She has been able to distance herself from changing rooms as a CEO but as a PT she will be in gym changing rooms with the general public. She may have to face up to the consequences of erosion of single sex boundaries if her gym is TRA friendly. Karma

GoldThumb · 16/09/2026 00:26

KnottyAuty · 15/09/2026 18:10

This might be interesting for Carol. She has been able to distance herself from changing rooms as a CEO but as a PT she will be in gym changing rooms with the general public. She may have to face up to the consequences of erosion of single sex boundaries if her gym is TRA friendly. Karma

Nah, they won’t bother her. Takes away their excitement if the woman isn’t uncomfortable with it

poodlemum01 · 16/09/2026 04:47

can't remember if I asked - but how do we observe the tribunal? can we get remote access?

AWomanOfWealthAndTaste · 16/09/2026 07:19

poodlemum01 · 16/09/2026 04:47

can't remember if I asked - but how do we observe the tribunal? can we get remote access?

The RCN case next week?

FarriersGirl · 16/09/2026 11:05

Copied from @NebulousSupportPostcard post a few pages back. @poodlemum01

FarriersGirl · 16/09/2026 11:06

Image loading hopefully

poodlemum01 · 16/09/2026 11:52

yes the rcn one for next week, if anyone has observing details please!

impossibletoday · 16/09/2026 13:16

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Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton, following Employment Tribunal judgment - thread #62
WearyAuldWumman · 16/09/2026 17:29

I’m told that funding for a frailty programme at the Vic has been cut unexpectedly.

Too much money spent on legal matters?

fanOfBen · 17/09/2026 12:19

Hmm. I wrote some time ago but did not receive even an automated response. What was anyone else's experience? I'm wondering whether I should try again.

FarriersGirl · 17/09/2026 13:59

I applied last week and I did get an automated response.

AugustDieSheMust · 17/09/2026 15:00

I applied on 7/9/26 and received an automated response within two minutes.

Tonight I’m going to an author event with Michael Foran - it will be one of the highlights of my summer. I’ve read quite a bit of his book in advance.

fanOfBen · 17/09/2026 15:08

Hmm, I mailed on 4th September - maybe they hadn't set up the autoreply?? Have retried.

YouCanCallMeMonster · 17/09/2026 16:17

I emailed on 4th and got an automated response

fanOfBen · 17/09/2026 16:29

YouCanCallMeMonster · 17/09/2026 16:17

I emailed on 4th and got an automated response

Weird; a few hours later, I also don't have an autoreply to my repeated email, and I've checked the address (and my spam, though I use gmail and sometimes it aggressively rejects mail it considers spam so much that I don't see it). Ah well, time will tell, I'm not worrying about this any more.

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