The nerve of Caitlin Moran

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I've just read an interview with Caitlin Moran in the Radio Times.

This is one of her answers to a question about feminism: "The feminist movement is a bit quiet now, but I'm a born optimist."

A BIT QUIET? Where the hell have you been for the past 10 years? The feminist movement has been more active than at any time since the 1970s. Among the many, many feminist organisations that have been active in the past few years are Women's Rights Network, Fair Play For Women, Woman's Place UK, FiLiA, Let Women Speak, Sex Matters, For Women Scotland, Merched Cymru, the ReSisters, Labour Women's Declaration and many more.

Those women have held huge public meetings, conferences and rallies. They've published petitions signed by hundreds of thousands. They've written countless letters to politicians and policymakers. They've published reports. They've engaged, most significantly - and most successfully - in numerous legal actions, funded through donations by ordinary women. One of those legal actions went all the way to the Supreme Court, resulting in probably the most important landmark decision on women's rights in the last 50 years.

"Bit quiet" my arse. What is wrong with the woman?

I imagine she just can't hear anyone else over the sound of the shit she talks

I don’t read any of her articles - I won’t give her the clicks, and I wouldn’t read an interview with her as I have no interest in what a dick pandering hand maiden has to say.

At best, she is a Vichy feminist. I am of the opinion that she is no feminist at all if she won’t stand up for the rights and safety of women and girls when it upsets men.

She’s in a little London bubble and should be utterly ashamed of that ignorant comment.

Is she still on Twitter, can anyone point out her ignorance to her?

Same as Hermione, I avoid clicking on any of her articles in the Times, even if the headline makes it sound vaguely interesting.

I've never known why anyone listens to her, tbh. There's absolutely no way she believes transwomen are women, but I think her children are captured so she has to be careful. There are so many like that.

Oh yes, let’s spend our time tearing another woman down - this really helps.

In fact, I hope more women will join this thread to complain about public female figures who have found a way to make a success of their life.

It really helps all of us.

👀

I would assume she means anyone who shares her opinions.

Yes, Zoe Williams is another. Craven woman.

We feminists are still allowed to disagree with other women, especially when they are telling lies about actual feminism.

Zoe Williams would be a Japanese soldier, Caitlin Moran will write a thinkpiece about how she never believed in it and wasn’t it a weird time.

I wouldn’t say she’s particularly successful.

lol so by this logic no one here can ever criticise another woman??

or is it only 'successful' women we can't criticise??

I really liked her recent book and reckon would like her in real
life. She has been through something similar to us with a teen and I found her writing on that really helpful and even funny in a dark time.

I agree with op though. We have had a nasty painful difficult fight on our hands over the last 5 years and for her to put her fingers in her ears and la la la that nothing has happened is difficult to stomach.

I managed to influence my teens over time on this. Even the right on one is now a defender of women only spaces and has spoken up on this at school. Sounds like CM just rolled over and accepted her YA kids position like Alistair Campbell and David tennant. Expected better from her.

There's one thought that has come back to me time and time again over the past 10 years of fighting the battle for women's sex-based rights. It's this: if all the women in positions of influence - journalists, academics, politicians, trade union leaders – had taken a firm stance against this madness from the beginning, it would never have taken hold.

Sure, men would still have pushed it, because a certain group of men have been absolutely determined to dismantle women's rights. And other men have passively supported them.

But the actual fight against those men who aggressively attack women's rights has been left to ordinary women. Ordinary women who have lost their jobs, been thrown off social media, been subjected to death and rape threats, just for speaking out in favour of sex-based rights. Ordinary women who, in between doing full-time jobs and meeting caring responsibilities, have written letters, launched petitions, organised meetings, taught themselves the intricacies of the law, done the boring hard slog of writing, speaking, arguing, pushing, pushing, pushing, all to stop this onslaught on women's rights. Women like For Women Scotland, three ordinary women from unexceptional backgrounds who, despite all the other demands on their time, took their fight all the way to the Supreme Court - and won.

If people like Caitlin Moran and other prominent women had spoken out in support of women's rights from the outset, none of this would have been necessary. The pushback from those women would have been enough to see off this whole anti-women movement.

And yet she, in common with so many other women, has been silent. I will never forgive them their cowardice. Never.

I think if someone is saying ‘feminism is quiet at the moment’ they are obviously thinking that large swathes of feminists are the wrong sort of feminist.

And its not 'just' the failing to stand up when it counted and use her influence instead of pulling up the ladder behind her.

To then claim that feminism has 'gone a bit quiet' - dismissing the fight and fury that has been going on the last 8 years is just insulting.

Its not 'tearing another woman down' to point out the cowardice and hypocrisy, when she's made a career out of supposedly being a feminist.

Oh yes, let’s spend our time tearing another woman down - this really helps.

I agree, given how many of the women who are public figures are responsible for shoring up this preposterous ideology, pulling them down would really help. 👍

Those women who are in positions of influence/authority that are throwing other women under the bus, like those women in prisons, those women in sport, those women in desperate need of single sex spaces. They need to be pulled down, they need to be confronted with what they've brought down on women's heads on their way to having such a successful life themselves.

It really will help all of us, once we have to stop dealing with the saboteurs we can concentrate our efforts on the activists of this male rights movement.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 hear hear

she made a career out of being a straight talking gobby feminist from a working class background who was brave enough to say the unsayable things but when push came to shove, she ran scared.

so much for her bravery....

Shes more of a pop culture weather vane than anything else. If shes saying nothing has been happening in feminism, its because the feminist columnists/writers want to put the trans away.

Surely she means “lib feminism has gone quiet” (which it has). All the current activism is led by the radical feminists who are now winning.

Caitlin Moran has absolutely no credibility as a feminist. Or as a left winger actually considering that she sent her children to private school. I think everything she writes is essentially rubbish. I never click on her articles or engage with her in anyway.

I hate the faux working class-ness she bangs on about having when she lives in central London, sends her children off for a private education, and works for the Times! Bore off you pretentious, middle-class twit.

I’m still laughing at ‘Vichy Feminist’.
What a superb description-which I will endeavour to use on a weekly basis going forward.
Oh - and I can’t bear these women who threw the rest of us to the wolves while they were silent to appease their university captured blue haired flag waving kids.

I think she means "her type" of feminism.

I also think it's tone deaf to say there's no better period in history for women when internationally we have Afghanistan, Iran, Roe Vs Wade reversal in the US and men claiming women's stuff across the Western world.

Afghan and Iranian women were much better off in the 70s for a start.

I've always found her writing pretty insufferable.

She's not quite as 🤪 as Laurie Penny. But definitely getting there.