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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Judith Butler called Germaine Greer a 'great feminist'

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WrongKindOfFeminist · 23/07/2026 21:34

So even a stopped clock, etc. She then goes off on one weak-ass blurble.

Via Kara Dansky's newsletter:

'Judith Butler has given an interview to Current Affairs, in which she explains the “gender panic.” To the credit of Current Affairs, the introduction includes the fact that there are some leftists pushing back on so-called “gender identity.”

That’s unusual; we are typically referred to only as right-wing bigots. Judith Butler herself refers to us as “fascists” in her 2024 book Who’s Afraid of Gender.
The pertinent portion of the interview is this:

Q: Now, I would like to ask you briefly about the category of critics who are often called trans-exclusionary radical feminists. People like Germaine Greer, for instance, would say, “I am a leftist. I am not a fascist. I am someone whose sympathies are with liberation movements, and my argument against trans people is that they deny the true nature of womanhood. They undermine the women’s rights movement by reinforcing a stereotyped notion of what it means to be a certain gender.” And they would argue this is a good faith and feminist criticism—it’s not a Viktor Orbán or Vladimir Putin criticism. You’ve been, obviously, deeply critical and suggested that movement, that posture, ends up aligning itself with these very hardcore authoritarians. How do you respond to their criticism?

A: Well, I think there’s just no question in my mind that Germaine Greer has been a great leftist and a great feminist. You would never hear me object to that. I think what puzzles me is why leftist feminists, in part, not in whole, have taken positions that do ally with right-wing authoritarianism, the same forms of authoritarianism that have denied reproductive freedom and legal protections for women. I think that trans women have always been part of the feminist movement. Most trans women I know are also feminists, and the category of women has been an expansive one. One question for me, especially for second-wave feminists, is, didn’t we learn that definitions of what a woman is have been far too narrow and sometimes biologically reductive? For example, women reproduce. Well, not all women reproduce. Not all women can. Not all women want to. Or, women have these kinds of values. Well, not all kinds of women have those values. Or, women belong in the private sphere. No, they don’t believe that.

So there are all these restrictive definitions of what a woman is. And my sense is that the exhilarating part of feminism is that it was and remains a freedom movement. That is to say, women can be all kinds of things, and we need to allow the category of women to be expansive. Now, that doesn’t mean it can include all things. I don’t mean to be silly about this, but trans people, and more broadly non-binary people, are subject to harassment, discrimination, and the restriction of rights that makes them potential and actual political allies with feminists. And we’ve always been allies. We’ve always been in favor of equality, against discrimination, trying to figure out how to live freely and how to live and breathe in the street, in the workplace, and in the home without fear of violence. That brings us all together.

Why wouldn’t that just be the most compelling affiliation and alliance? We know too many stories about trans people who are assaulted on the street. We know too many stories about women who are assaulted on the street. The same people are doing those assaults.

We need to band together to oppose femicide and the killing of trans, non-binary, or non-gender-conforming people. And throughout Latin America, the feminist movements have those alliances. And it’s been very surprising to me, especially in the British context, to see that those alliances have severed.

There’s no good reason for it.'

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HenriettaHippopotamus · 28/07/2026 20:16

It’s interesting that she often seems to be using woman to mean adult human female, as she’ll say women and trans people, almost implying to readers they’re separate.

I find so many like her bring abortion into these discussions which is weird as it’s nothing to do with the issue the way they’re framing it. They seem to think if you think males can’t be females you’ll soon be against abortions. It’s interesting that a few paragraphs later she brings up Latin America as an example of how to behave unlike us unruly Brits, but how do they do when it comes to abortion rights, how does the USA do? Oh, yes much worse than the UK.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 29/07/2026 08:48

Arran2024 · 26/07/2026 12:17

For me JB's ideas are provocative, academic thoughts which are interesting philosophically and worthy of study. But they are not a design for life and they have been used as such by people looking for support for their lifestyle choices and their allies (in much the same way as quantum physics is used by some in the New Age movement). They don't care if it works in practice as long as it works in theory (i think there is a Harvard quote to that effect!)

That makes a lot of sense. Much of postmodernism also has this nature - interesting thought experiments and theory that also often include brainfarts, that was not ever intended to be used as life advice.

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Arran2024 · 29/07/2026 10:31

What i don't understand is how JB reconcile her idea of "woman" as being performative (therefore available to anyone) with the current trend for some trans women to make minimal effort to mimic women. They can even keep their beards, be aggressive....

https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&source=android-browser&q=judith+butler+woman+as+a+performance#lfId=ChxjMe

Before you continue to Google Search

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&ie=UTF-8&q=judith+butler+woman+as+a+performance&source=android-browser#lfId=ChxjMe

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/07/2026 11:11

Arran2024 · 29/07/2026 10:31

What i don't understand is how JB reconcile her idea of "woman" as being performative (therefore available to anyone) with the current trend for some trans women to make minimal effort to mimic women. They can even keep their beards, be aggressive....

https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&source=android-browser&q=judith+butler+woman+as+a+performance#lfId=ChxjMe

Ah, well.

Being a woman is performative so anyone can do it.

But restricting women to only a subset of human emotional, social and intellectual expression is clearly bad, because Feminism.

So, one is a woman because one performs it, but any performance one wants to call womanhood counts because it expands what womanhood can be.

You might at this point question why we need the word "woman" at all, if it can label absolutely anything and anyone.

Ah well again. It is the act of choosing to label oneself woman that matters, because one is consciously choosing to say one is not the power/incumbent WhiteHetCisMale. Woman is a rejection and protest and embrace of the Other.

Oh, that and toilets. We absolutely have to keep some concept of Woman as different to men so we can still divide toilets up and trans people can still pee in affirming places.

So that's it really. That's the one absolute base performance of Genderism. You don't pee in the ladies because you are a woman, you are a woman because you pee in the ladies.

(What's that you say? What about the realities unique to the female body? What about pregnancy and the social constraints of childcare? P'shaw! You only think those things matter because that is how culture told you to think. What about rape and MVAWG? Oh well obviously that's an expression of patriarchy so not really my wheelhouse and of course trans bodies are abused as well even more so because they are doubly other and oh my is that my bus got to go....)

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