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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I went to Trans Pride and here’s how it went

45 replies

IamSarah · 20/07/2026 15:02

I wrote a Substack about Trans Pride in Brighton this weekend.

The extent of the anti-woman extremism is pretty shocking. Anyone claiming it was a celebration of transgender people is seriously in denial.

It’s become a hate march against women who hold a protected belief:

https://open.substack.com/pub/sarahsurviving/p/i-went-to-trans-pride-and-heres-how?r=12w4dz&utm_medium=ios

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BonfireLady · 20/07/2026 20:52

Great article. Fantastically written.

It feels like the kind of thing people who have never heard of AGP could read and have a massive penny-dropping moment of.... "Oh, that's why some people don't want TW in women's spaces".

SwirlyGates · 20/07/2026 21:43

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 20/07/2026 19:30

Again with the "arm the dolls" - why are none of them helping the bricks? I mean the dolls get an easier time of it all anyway. It's all so weird and bizarre and illogical it makes my tiny mind fizz with the lunacy.

Maybe they think the "dolls" are poor, delicate flowers who can't look after themselves, while the "bricks" are muscly and can throw a punch.

Nah, they're all men.

tobee · 20/07/2026 22:18

The irony being if we all 100% of us said that “yes we 100% agree with you. You have changed sex. Go into whichever space you like” they really wouldn’t know what to actually do with themselves. They exist to hate and be victims.

IamSarah · 20/07/2026 22:25

redboxer321 · 20/07/2026 20:11

It is indeed a great piece but such a shame it needed to be written (which it absolutely did).
Her piece on Peter Tatchell is excellent too. Another who is hiding in plain sight.

Thanks! So many trans activists with red flags 🚩 All the AGPs, furries etc that I saw on Saturday were creepy enough but the publicity seeking, ones like Peter Tatchell and Katie Neeves are really scary. They are both proper wrong’uns who have publicly stated some very questionable things that suggest they have paraphilias but everyone turns a blind eye. Predators hiding in plain sight.

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Bertiebiscuit · 20/07/2026 22:26

There is no Pride in "trans" - it's just another way for men to. Indulge their fetishes and shove extreme male supremacy in women's and girls faces. They are simply showing women that men can still get away with any behaviour however bad, because women have never mattered and still don't. Just like the performers who "blacked up" to mock and insult black people, men who pretend to be women, be they drag acts, pantomime dames, transexuals or men claiming to actually morph into women, they are incapable of seeing us as fully formed people to be respected and deserving of equality.

Whatchamacallitt · 20/07/2026 22:27

IamSarah · 20/07/2026 22:25

Thanks! So many trans activists with red flags 🚩 All the AGPs, furries etc that I saw on Saturday were creepy enough but the publicity seeking, ones like Peter Tatchell and Katie Neeves are really scary. They are both proper wrong’uns who have publicly stated some very questionable things that suggest they have paraphilias but everyone turns a blind eye. Predators hiding in plain sight.

Funny how almost all of the leading figures are men. Sexism is identical inside the 'trans community'.

puyr · 20/07/2026 22:30

grim. It’s good that they’re doing the separate Trans Pride stuff though. Keeping it separate from Pride, which has always been about love and same sex attraction.

redboxer321 · 20/07/2026 22:34

IamSarah · 20/07/2026 22:25

Thanks! So many trans activists with red flags 🚩 All the AGPs, furries etc that I saw on Saturday were creepy enough but the publicity seeking, ones like Peter Tatchell and Katie Neeves are really scary. They are both proper wrong’uns who have publicly stated some very questionable things that suggest they have paraphilias but everyone turns a blind eye. Predators hiding in plain sight.

Sorry @IamSarah! I didn't realise it was you (as the OP) who wrote the piece. Duh!
Should read: Your/OP's piece on Peter Tatchell is excellent too. 😀

Wishesandhorses · 20/07/2026 22:41

puyr · 20/07/2026 22:30

grim. It’s good that they’re doing the separate Trans Pride stuff though. Keeping it separate from Pride, which has always been about love and same sex attraction.

sadly my experience is that both are now trans pride. Exact same product, different labelling. There is no sharing in that particular strand of activism; its either all about them or you're the ones being threatened with rape and murder on the placards.

IamSarah · 21/07/2026 07:45

I agree @Wishesandhorses- both Pride and Trans Pride are dominated by TRAs.

Lesbians in my local feminist group were some of the founders of Pride in Brighton. We planned to march for lesbian visibility in the 2024 parade but The Pride committee bowed to pressure from TRAs and removed us.

It seems like the decent, reasonable trans people avoid Trans Pride and exclusively same sex attracted people avoid or are banned from the main Pride event.

Last time I watched the main Pride Parade I remember seeing lots of furries, lots of males in wigs and fishnet tights, lots of teenagers with self-harm scars and representatives from our local rape crisis centre waving a banner saying ‘trans inclusive feminism is hot’

You can read about Sisters Salon being banned here https://brightonsisters.wordpress.com/pride-prejudice/

Pride & Prejudice- Sisters Salon statement on Brighton Pride

Pride & Prejudice

We urge Brighton Pride to honour its roots and core purpose by beginning a dialogue with us, so that these damaging and needless divisions can begin to be healed.

https://brightonsisters.wordpress.com/pride-prejudice/

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puyr · 21/07/2026 08:41

Wishesandhorses · 20/07/2026 22:41

sadly my experience is that both are now trans pride. Exact same product, different labelling. There is no sharing in that particular strand of activism; its either all about them or you're the ones being threatened with rape and murder on the placards.

yes, I agree. The old school gay guys who run several businesses in my city used to promote Pride, but haven’t for years and I wonder if it’s because they know it no longer represents them. The main promoter of Pride in our city is a heterosexual woman who calls herself non binary. What does that have to do with Pride?

Leavesandthings · 21/07/2026 09:28

Thank you Sarah, for attending and the great write up.

The victimhood element does seem to get more extreme as time goes on.

In the face of the TRA aggressive hostility I think the most effective approach is calmly restating facts: you/trans people have the same rights as everyone else.

Draws the attention to the fact that they aren't asking for "basic human rights" but more.

PriOn1 · 21/07/2026 13:17

Is it still possible to go to Pride and not see all this hate? I have colleagues and Facebook friends who attend as a group representing my profession. They are lovely people and I can’t see how they can go along with it, if it’s so awful. Are there factions, which broadly stay separate?

I do know that “No TERFs” has been relatively normalized at Pride, despite the fact it originally described a subset of lesbians (even though that in itself is bad enough). Is there prominent hate and chanting throughout? I’m trying to understand. I don’t see how decent people can still be turning a blind eye? Or is it boiling frogs? The awfulness grew so gradually they somehow don’t see it?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/07/2026 14:17

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

PriOn1 · 21/07/2026 15:12

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/07/2026 14:17

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

I get that to see results in being ostracized and I can understand that in young people, but my Facebook friend is middle aged like me. I guess maybe some older women think younger people’s opinions matter more, or that they’ve learned something that we didn’t know about when younger, but I can’t imagine her in that demographic.

I guess, if she always goes along in her tight knit group of friends, maybe she insulates herself, but I know @IamSarah used to be fully supportive, but now sees what’s happening clearly. I’m just wondering whether it would still be easy enough to ignore if you were so inclined.

FrippEnos · 21/07/2026 18:18

PriOn1 · 21/07/2026 15:12

I get that to see results in being ostracized and I can understand that in young people, but my Facebook friend is middle aged like me. I guess maybe some older women think younger people’s opinions matter more, or that they’ve learned something that we didn’t know about when younger, but I can’t imagine her in that demographic.

I guess, if she always goes along in her tight knit group of friends, maybe she insulates herself, but I know @IamSarah used to be fully supportive, but now sees what’s happening clearly. I’m just wondering whether it would still be easy enough to ignore if you were so inclined.

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Sort of linked to this

Several of the companies that I have worked for still have official groups that go to pride.

In previous years the reports would be full of pictures of various groups and people all dancing and smiling etc. and having a very good time.

Now the companies just put up a picture of the people that went in front of the company logo/flag.

So even those that organise the trips for employees are turning a blind eye to the wider problems in pride.

Waheymum · 21/07/2026 20:36

Thankyou for writing this. I'm a close friend of a transwoman (TIM) so I've always taken a very liberal, relaxed view of transpeople. However, I'm growing more concerned as a mother. I'm too young to really remember the '80s; is anyone able to tell me whether there are any parallels with how gay people were treated/treated straight people back then and how transpeople are treated/treat cispeople/women/TERFs now? Thanks.
I'm starting to change my mind about being a trans ally but I also feel really guilty about my mind changing. I would not feel comfortable coming out as a terf, I do not hate transpeople, I'm just aware of what men can and do do to women and girls.

Whatchamacallitt · 21/07/2026 20:43

Waheymum · 21/07/2026 20:36

Thankyou for writing this. I'm a close friend of a transwoman (TIM) so I've always taken a very liberal, relaxed view of transpeople. However, I'm growing more concerned as a mother. I'm too young to really remember the '80s; is anyone able to tell me whether there are any parallels with how gay people were treated/treated straight people back then and how transpeople are treated/treat cispeople/women/TERFs now? Thanks.
I'm starting to change my mind about being a trans ally but I also feel really guilty about my mind changing. I would not feel comfortable coming out as a terf, I do not hate transpeople, I'm just aware of what men can and do do to women and girls.

Most of us don't hate trans people as an entire group. We hate the behaviour and misogyny of some of the men. I don't group vulnerable people caught up in it as the same as old fetishists or angry young incels who use it as an excuse for their hatred of women. Regardless, I don't believe any of them have changed sex but that isn't hatred.

Seethlaw · 21/07/2026 21:13

Waheymum · 21/07/2026 20:36

Thankyou for writing this. I'm a close friend of a transwoman (TIM) so I've always taken a very liberal, relaxed view of transpeople. However, I'm growing more concerned as a mother. I'm too young to really remember the '80s; is anyone able to tell me whether there are any parallels with how gay people were treated/treated straight people back then and how transpeople are treated/treat cispeople/women/TERFs now? Thanks.
I'm starting to change my mind about being a trans ally but I also feel really guilty about my mind changing. I would not feel comfortable coming out as a terf, I do not hate transpeople, I'm just aware of what men can and do do to women and girls.

I was only a teenager back in the 80s, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but what I remember of how gay people were treated, is that it couldn't be any more different to how trans people are treated today.

Some of the biggest differences I remember off the top of my head are:

  • Genuine fear and disgust: people sincerely disliked gay people, thought them disgusting and deviant. Many thought that the gay community deserved the AIDS epidemic when it was struck by it.
  • Having a gay child was unthinkable, and everything was justified in "correcting" a child.
  • Being gay was seen as "a lifestyle" chosen by deviant people who could just choose to live a straight lifestyle if they wanted to.
  • Colporting rumours of being gay about a random or a celebrity was a real tool of oppression, because it had a real effect on how people saw them.
  • It wasn't cool to be gay. The closet was a very real thing in which kids and adults hid, sometimes for their entire life.
  • Gay celebrities were rare and controversial. They certainly weren't feted as brave or stunning.
  • Camp gay people were ruthlessly mocked. They were a common laughing stock in books and movies.
  • There absolutely weren't positive movies about gay people on every day TV.
  • Gay people had precious little political power, very few politicians speaking out for them. The concept of "gay rights" was just that: a concept.

And so on and so forth. When the TRAs today argue that trans people are in the same situation now as gay people once were, that's simply not true. If it were true, there wouldn't be:

  • Trans kids
  • Trans treatments paid by the NHS
  • The GRC,
  • Any concept of "trans rights", let alone any political support for them
  • Positive representations of trans people everywhere
  • Etc...

I would not feel comfortable coming out as a terf, I do not hate transpeople,

GC people don't hate trans people as a rule. They just don't want them to trample women's rights. According to their own placards, though, TRAs want GC people dead...

PriOn1 · 21/07/2026 22:00

Waheymum · 21/07/2026 20:36

Thankyou for writing this. I'm a close friend of a transwoman (TIM) so I've always taken a very liberal, relaxed view of transpeople. However, I'm growing more concerned as a mother. I'm too young to really remember the '80s; is anyone able to tell me whether there are any parallels with how gay people were treated/treated straight people back then and how transpeople are treated/treat cispeople/women/TERFs now? Thanks.
I'm starting to change my mind about being a trans ally but I also feel really guilty about my mind changing. I would not feel comfortable coming out as a terf, I do not hate transpeople, I'm just aware of what men can and do do to women and girls.

I was at university from the mid eighties. Before I went, I was only vaguely aware of the existence of gay people. There were some obviously gay pop stars (Boy George being the most obvious though I’m not sure I’d have known he was gay as it wasn’t on my radar) but also some who remained in the closet, such as George Michael and Freddie Mercury.

My mum had told me there was a gay man in our Quaker meeting. When I asked her what she thought, she basically said that it was his choice, but that it wasn’t natural. She possibly said more, but that’s what I remember.

One of my memories of Fresher’s week was getting an information leaflet about AIDS. It had information on gay sexual practices such as fisting and rimming. I thought it was grim and obviously carried health risks and I must say, that hasn’t changed much.

A friend, who once had wished to go out with me, finally worked out he was gay in his mid twenties. It hadn’t crossed his mind before that. Being gay just wasn’t something many people considered. I was interested and supportive when I heard, but that must have been early nineties, so a bit later than you are asking about. I think it had achieved broad acceptance by then though, at least in the younger generations.

On the surface, I can see why people argue that what’s happening now is similar. People did regard gay people with disgust. Many of us regard AGP men, with disgust. It’s complicated though, because I’d say most homophobic people were brought up that way and didn’t change or became more accepting. Most of the Terven started out being very accepting, then gradually saw all the problems AGP men bring, with their demands for access to women’s spaces and then changed our opinion as this didn’t seem reasonable. The horror at what was happening to children came later.

I’d say the main difference is in what was being asked for. Gay marriage doesn’t really affect other people in a direct way, whereas self-ID very much does. I think most of us would have been very supportive had the request been for additional spaces for people not comfortable with their own sex in sex-segregated spaces.

There certainly weren’t children’s programs and books advertising it, whereas now, children’s literature and mainstream TV are both heavily captured and trying to normalise trans.

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