Why do some feminists oppose misogyny but support gender ideology?

[Doodwhatareyou]

I recently ended up in the man hating side of tiktok, which is a place I tend to be in agreement with. I’ve seen several women bravely battle stupid men in the comments who manage to reinforce everything being said.

I’ve seen a pattern though that these women, who seem to be very up on rules of misogyny, and aware of how problematic too many men are, usually have pronouns in their bio, and occasionally will complain about being bullied by terfs.

I’m baffled.

How can they be so up on patriarchal nonsense yet miss the fundamental misogyny in gender ideology. How can they deny the evidence that trans identified men are just as much of a problem for women if not more as they want women’s rights and spaces.

They can make endless videos about how hateful men are because of the way women are treated, and how women have to budge up and make room, yet trans identified men are women, and anyone who says otherwise is a massive bigot. I don’t understand.

It's not a value judgement. It's just an observation.

A bit like saying that a Labour Party that no longer believed in worker's rights would have drifted so far from its original purpose that it had become something else.

Maybe your difficulty is that you are in denial/don't really understand why women need rights.

I think I'm talking about feminism and the meaning of words.

is the thread about something else?

Only if 'feminism' has no meaning.

But I have learned that you don't like that kind of logic based argument.

The thread really hasn't become more complex.

No, my difficulty is understanding how seemingly intelligent people don't understand that there are different types of feminism with different values, views and objectives.

Well some people seem to be losing the gist completely.

No, it's patently wrong to think that unless people believe exactly what you believe, then they can't be feminists. It misunderstands feminism itself.

that there are different types of feminism with different values, views and objectives.

Such different values, views and objectives that 'feminism' has no meaning, and might as well mean 'cruise liner' or 'dog biscuit' or 'Spanish'.

That will happen, if you redefine words to mean whatever you want them to mean. You have a definition of feminism that we do not accept.

Why don't you try to explain to the thickos at what point men turn into women?

Feminists do indeed believe many different things, but you really have to be able to define 'woman' for the term to have any meaning.

Fucking hell this UN Women's definition of feminism is falling over itself to be more about gender identity and including 'all genders' <aka men> then it is about women. I bet it really hurt them to include the term 'woman' at all.

'Feminism is a social and political movement advocating for the political, economic, and social equality of all genders. It seeks to dismantle systemic inequalities and patriarchal structures that have historically disadvantaged women, ensuring fair opportunities and treatment for everyone, regardless of gender identity.

Recently there was a court case about a young woman with mental health issues who was put in a locked mental health ward.

She identified as a man and so they put her in with the men. Within minutes the male inmates were passing remarks about her sex (which was obvious to them) and within hours, she had been raped.

She would have been a damned sight safer if she and the hospital authorities had acknowledged who she actually was, rather than going along with who she identified as.

Yes, men can experience misogyny if they are mistaken to be female. This particular discrimination is already punished by law.

So again: what's the use of "trans-inclusive" feminism?

To be fair, they are 'profoundly concerned' about the situation in Afghanistan, but presumably there is a system for checking gender before deciding who to oppress?

www.unwomen.org/en/news-stories/statement/2026/05/un-women-afghanistan-statement-on-decree-no-18-issued-by-the-de-facto-authorities

This horrific case still haunts me. Our feminism includes this vulnerable woman; 'trans-inclusive' feminism excludes her. Shameful.

So you think humans can change sex?

Is that it?

And no, people who priorise men over women still aren't feminists.

This is the stupidity writ large. The entire human race shoud identify as men and boys, and then the patriarchy will be unnecessary, misogyny will cease to exist and we won't need any branch of feminism because there won't be any women left to oppress. Batshit.

"Some people who are not women say they identify as women, and we should let them just Because."

"Some people who are not feminists say they identify as feminists, and we should let them just Because."

It's always the same empty and wrong argument in the end.

You are grasping at straws.

There is no way to escape the impact of female biology. If you are female and want to have surgery and hormones because you identify as a man (and have access to these resources), the reason you are doing so is because you are female.

For the rest of your life you will have to receive treatment and make medical decisions because of your female sex, and you will be impacted by the availability of sex specific resources and services.

To the extent that you can hide your sex you might escape perception based discrimination, but even even if humans were not so sexually dimorphic, women would still need sex based rights.

I'm listening to an interesting interview on The Michael Shermer Show that discusses exactly what you've laid out in your post. It's frightening how young women, in particular, will put other people ahead of their own needs just to fit in with the group and appear virtuous.

The thing you keep ignoring is that belief’s notwithstanding- ‘transwomen’ just aren’t women. They are men. That is a fact that literally dates back to the first man and woman.

Therefore, they can believe what they like but if they call themselves feminists they are still wrong - by definition.

It worries me that so many people have such little understanding of the concept of words and meanings.

Eh? So if women overshoot and gain dominance, then ‘feminism’ is going to have to entirely centre men? I’m not sure you’ve fully thought this through.

I completely agree with you that Feminist Thought is a diverse topic but, for the purposes of criticising ANY type of feminism, the media/podcast bros/TRAs all behave as though the ONLY type of feminism that existed before the 2000s was Liberal Feminism and that the ONLY valid type of feminism to exist today is Third Wave/Intersectional Feminism - very frustrating 🙄

If your version of 'feminism does not centre female people then it cannot really be feminism can it? It is something else. You need a new word to describe what it is you are fighting for, or who it is you are centering in your campaign.

The clue to the meaning is in the very word itself.