'Arm the Dolls'

[WrongKindOfFeminist]

Pictured is Natacha Kennedy of Goldsmiths.

T shirt says 'Arm the Dolls'

Oooh yes. And essence. No using that either.

No miasmas either, please.

I can’t do that and I’ve never tried to do that either. A woman is an adult human female, and naturally excludes men. Now what is a TRA

I agree with all this, and it’s somehow additionally chilling to see this person wearing the Arm the Dolls T-shirt with a child’s frilly party skirt, I don’t know why.

It does feel as though we have reached a dangerous point in the arc of this movement, because women are at last being supported by the establishment in saying ‘no’ to men taking their rights away. It’s probably no coincidence that it feels very like the individual moment of peak danger when a woman tries to leave a coercive or abusive relationship.

I agree about the danger. Not only are criminals, sex offenders & extremely mentally vulnerable men being centred and feted by transactivists, now men who are educators & meant to be role models in their professional role are openly making threats of violence.

It's very revealing.

A TRA is anyone who believes trans rights trump those of any other group. For example, although there are loud violent TRA, it would also include those who use spaces meant for the opposite sex, as they believe their wish to access those spaces trumps the rights of others to have a single sex space.

I’m not sure many trans activists would agree that they’re arguing that trans rights are more important that anyone else’s rights. In my mind, most trans people just want to go through life without being harassed or discriminated against

And they have the right to do that, the same way that women in theory have the right to go through life without being harrsssed or discriminated against

now allow me to pause for a loud fucking "ha!!!!!!!"

women are discriminated against and harassed all the fucking time

and men larping as women have enthusiastically joined in with that whether it's overtly "punch a TERF" or by whining "I just want to peeee" or sad faced "but I really feel like a woman" it's all the bloody same. Men putting themselves first

i ran out of sympathy for them years ago

I do have much more sympathy for trans men because generally they're trying to escape from the societal limitations placed on women as well as trying to avoid the everyday discrimination and harassment faced by being a woman

@TeaWithASplashOfMilkPlease

There's an ongoing thread (spinoff from yet another thread!) about this very phenomenon (more on the persuasive side than the violent side, but tactics are shifting rapidly) if you're interested.

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I thought it would be helpful to have a separate thread to discuss, and document, a phenomenon I have been seeing more regularly recently: the Persuasive TRA.

It occurred to me, after a few posters noted that the recent U-turns by a couple of politicians, and the wheedling TRA responses to the EHRC guidance, were akin to an abuser changing tactics and also asking us to "help" them in the new single-sex regime, that the whole thing is starting to pan out exactly as an abusive relationship often does. When is the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship? Normally, when she is leaving.

Well, women are leaving the abusive relationship with non-reality that men forced upon us some 15 years ago, and I would argue that now might be our most dangerous/difficult moment.

This is what I posted on the other thread:
I'm starting to see a bit more of what I am calling (in my own head) "Persuasive TRA." Now that they have lost everything that they bullied women for, some activists seem to be changing tack. Women must now fix the situation that TRAs have found themselves in. It seems to pivot on a sort of Be Kind 2.0.

I think women who have been in the game long enough will see through it, but we should be watchful. Stonewall is pivoting, activists are pivoting, and they will be preying on women's socialized kindness: watch for the destination and be on your guard.

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The full thread is here. Lots of good ideas and things to look out for:
Be Kind 2.0 and the "Persuasive TRA" | Mumsnet

If men are appropriating something that is meant to be exclusively for women, then they are firmly placing trans 'rights' (which, in these situations, are imaginary) above women's rights. That includes appropriating women's spaces, awards, sports, associations and the language women use to describe ourselves.

What counts as appropriating language in your view?

Using 'women' to mean some women and some men, and then everything downstream of that. But you know this.

Woman, she, her, female, none of these words belong to unhappy men.

I was with you on the single sex spaces, associations and sports, but it feels a bit like you’re also trying to police language and identity now

So what do you call a TIM who accesses female spaces knowing women have the right to single sex spaces apart from someone who believes his rights trump those of women? ,

You said here that woman means adult human female and excludes men. Don't pretend you didn't.

Women already has a meaning: adult human female. Female already has a meaning - the members of the sex that (all being well) produce large gametes in their fertile years.
Yes language evolves, but very few people have moved away from these definitions despite all the efforts by the activists.
I'm not really interested in people's 'identity', unless they are people I know and we are having an interesting conversation about their ethnic culture or religious beliefs, for example. However, no-one can identify into a material category that they are not members of.

yes!! Yes we are policing language because words mean what they mean

dog does not mean and some cats

wombat does not mean and some otters

and woman does not mean 'and some men who imagine they are a woman because they perform female stereotypes'

women did not ask for this and TIM took advantage of the fact woman are socialised to put themselves last to stomp all over women's rights, spaces and places

no more!

the word women is taken - it means adult human female not adult human female and some men

My birth certificate does say female so maybe I actually am a woman after all

If your body is not of the sex that produces large gametes in their fertile years, then you are neither female, nor a woman. A GRC is a polite fiction.

Ah, the Not All Transwomen Are Like That argument.

I am seeing escalating violent behaviour of British transwomen, in particular organisations like Bash Back as well as this charmer wearing threatening slogans on t-shirts. This, alongside the institutional capture that women are having to dismantle one slow legal case at a time, makes me think that a man in feminine-coded clothing is more of a threat to my career, hobbies, and body than other men are.

This is not a personal judgment against individual transwomen, some of whom are genuinely nice, but a change in my threat assessment of men who wear feminine-coded clothing as a class based on escalating behaviours exhibited by that class.

I want a male-free hospital ward so that I can sleep without the risk of being made pregnant against my will by someone who has 160% of my punch force. I want a male-free rape counselling service to help me recover from the sexual assaults that men and boys have already inflicted on me. I want to ask for a woman to carry out my cervival cancer checks and get someone who has the same anatomy as me and knows how that speculum feels. These are not big asks, yet the response I get is men claiming to be women wearing t-shirts demanding that they be armed, pissing on the EHRC's office building, and smashing windows of MP's offices and conference venues.

Try to think about how it feels to spend your life at risk of forced pregnancy, only to then have some of the set of people who are physically capable of forcing you to be pregnant demand, with threats, entrance to the female-only spaces set aside to mitigate that risk of forced pregnancy.

A falsified document doesn't make you what you are biologically not.

Imagining how women actually feel is not, in my experience, a strong suit of the TRAs.

We damn well will "police" language and identity, thanks.

Male people are NOT women, NOT female, NOT girls. Find your own words. Ours are taken.