'Arm the Dolls'

[WrongKindOfFeminist]

Pictured is Natacha Kennedy of Goldsmiths.

T shirt says 'Arm the Dolls'

And why those transgender people who also believe they are babies or small children are to be treated as if one subjective belief is material when it is not, but not the other subjective belief which is equally subjective and equally not material?

There was also the case in Norway where a male person identified as a disabled and wheel chair bound female yet was a male person and had no disability at all.

I'm assuming because it wouldn't give said man a euphoria boner??

In both cases the problem is the power differential.

White people, historically and at a population level, have had more power than black and brown people.

Men, historically and at population level, have had more power than women.

The arguments against both blackface and womanface are that adopting a caricature of someone with less power than you is offensive.

I suppose one could argue that drag queens are the exact equivalent of blackface, while 'trans' is the equivalent of Rachel Dolezal.

I mean 'trans' is more absurd because race is far less of a defined thing than sex.

How so? Both feature individuals claiming biology that is not theirs. Both are equally as offensive.

Eh @Seethlaw? I don’t understand what you mean by all surgeries for cancer being carried out for good reasons but amount also to potential “mutilation”. Or have I misunderstood what you are saying?

Argh, no, you didn't misunderstand, I misspoke because I changed my sentence mid-writing and didn't fully correct it. My bad.

Obviously not all cancer-related surgeries create collateral damage, whether esthetic and/or functional. Only some do. But as far as I know, we don't call it mutilation? Because no matter the damage done, we recognise that it was necessary, that there was no ill intent in its creation, and no violence in its carrying out.

Well, arguably, the same is true for trans surgeries, at least from the point of view of the trans person and hopefully the surgeon.

1. Just as blackface is a pastiche and a mockery, so is drag. I think @WrongKindOfFeminist has it spot on with 'I suppose one could argue that drag queens are the exact equivalent of blackface, while 'trans' is the equivalent of Rachel Dolezal.' Telling me that I'm stupid for not getting with the programme isn't an explanation.
2. And you STILL haven't answered my question of 'So what is presenting in a feminine way?'

You have to look at the intention behind why someone does blackface vs a trans women presents as female.

Blackface normally is intended to mock and dehumanise black people.You can see that from historic minstrel shows. It was never meant as an authentic expression of self.

It’s the exact opposite for trans women. There is no intention to mock or degrade women. It’s about authentic self expression.

Drag on the other hand…

But don't know the intention so am entitled to judge them prima facie as the same.

There is nothing authentic about a man doing womanface

Men with transvestic fetishism have a paraphilia/ kink specifically predicated on humiliation, shame, and mockery.

It’s the exact opposite for trans women. There is no intention to mock or degrade women. It’s about authentic self expression.
I think this is worse. Drag (which I also dislike) at least does not pretend that the dresses and make up etc actually makes them women or is an intrinsic part of womenhood.
Trans women may well genuinely believe that wanting to perform these stereotypes makes them women but all that shows is that they have deeply regressive and sexist ideas about what women are.
We are not dresses, make up, flounces or femininity. We are simply female people.

Again its about power. These men dress as women to invite humiliation and shame because they get off on it.

Why would it be shameful or demeaning to be a 'sissy'? Because of the underlying misogyny that says women are lesser.

'Trans' has attempted to collapse a tiny and extremely rare condition of gender dysphoria with the far more common category of cross dressers, which includes fetishistic transvestites.

And of course to women, a man pretending to be a woman could be either dysphoric or a fetishist - the effect is the same.

I'd add that genuinely believing something about the nature of women doesn't make that belief true or unsexist.
Andrew Tate has 'genuine' views about the nature of women. His behaviour is 'authentic' for those beliefs.
It doesnt make him right. It just makes him a misogynist who believes in the worst of gender stereotypes.

Why are you conflating a rare, specific psychiatric diagnosis like transvestic disorder with the lived reality of millions of transgender women?

You know as well as I do the vast majority are not doing it out of some fetish but they have gender dysphoria.

This is all laid out in the ICD. 'Gender incongruence' is the diagnosis now, not dysphoria. Fetishistic transvestism is to be checked for and excluded.

It'd be interesting to see how this exclusion process happens, actually. I assume using the measures and scales referred to in the puberty blockers trial. Some of which were eyebrow raising.

Other way round, actually. Fetish is far more common than GD.

It’s the exact opposite for trans women. There is no intention to mock or degrade women. It’s about authentic self expression.

Your intent is irrelevant. Taking hormones to develop fake breasts, having surgery to create a fake "vagina" & dressing up as a woman both mocks & degrades women.

But as I explained, for women it doesn't really make much difference what a man's reasons are for pretending to be a woman.

What matters are actions. A man can dress as a demeaning and offensive caricature of women if he wants to. But he must respect womens privacy & dignity and stay out of women's spacesm.

So, it's all about the intention of the perpetrator? How it impacts or changes the identity of the target isn't relevant?

A man playing "woman" might be doing it for all sort of reasons. If the significant difference is in his intention not his action then from the outside, to the women he is imposing himself on, there is no difference.

Tell me you see women as interchangeable background characters without telling me you see women as interchangeable background characters 🙄

To claim that a person undergoing years of painful medical treatment and social struggle just to live in peace is doing so to 'mock' you is an astonishing level of narcissism. Women’s dignity is not so fragile that it is degraded by the existence of transgender people managing a medical condition.

And not just pretending to be a woman - fighting to dismantle the sex based rights of women and threatening violence, unrest, dragging people to court, removing livelihoods or simply sticking up a middle finger to anyone who objects in the process.