'Arm the Dolls'

[WrongKindOfFeminist]

Pictured is Natacha Kennedy of Goldsmiths.

T shirt says 'Arm the Dolls'

Please stop mischaracterising what I said. It makes your posts look manipulative and in bad faith.

You did use those examples alongside my belief about myself, and regardless of what you intended it is possible to interpret it the way I did.

They are manipulative and bad faith. Its the nature though. To even claim to be something you fundamentally are not is bad faith and you have to be manipulative to make others go along with it.

He is arguing in bad faith. He asked me to 'go first' yesterday, implying he'd then answer my question. I did, and he hasn't, despite a couple of reminders.

Very good analogy.

You really can’t help but generalise, can you?

That would stand perhaps if you had not already asked me why I used them, I explained why, and you accepted this was not as you had interpreted them, a reply which you accepted and thanked me for.

So while it is strictly true to say I "compared" your beliefs to those of a stalker or an incel, what I was comparing was not the beliefs themselves but the mechanism of belief, highlighting that depth or conviction of feeling, or the performance of an extreme act in support of the belief are not in themselves sufficient proof that a belief is valid or true.

Given that you knew exactly what I meant before you posted, to then characterise it as you have is duplicitious and in bad faith.

You disappoint me.

The more you post, the further you go from the reasonable persona you started our portraying, and it's undermining the reasonable posts as well.

When you claim to be "a woman", you are generalising the diversity of half the human race into something you can "be". Do you even realise that?

There's no generalisation there. Every man who claims to be a woman through actions, words and/or deeds is acting in bad faith.

posted in error; apologies

I agree. This is an excellent analogy @5128gap

When imo, there can be no such thing as feeling like a woman, because in order to feel one thing rather than another, we need to have experienced both so we can judge.
For example, I might say I feel youthful, despite being middle aged. This would be a valid feeling, because I have experienced youth and know whether the characteristics i associate with it, eg, energy, zest for life, good health still apply to me.
I couldn't however say with any validity when I was 20 that I felt middle aged, because I hadn't had that experience.
All I'd be doing is observing middle aged women, compiling patterns into stereotypes, and looking for superficial commonality with my own life, such as interests, clothing choices and so on.
This is what I believe you're doing when you 'feel like' a woman.

The thing is, this is not an inaccurate statement of the effect of making a claim that cannot possibly be materially real and is only based on your personal subjective belief.

It does take manipulation via different means to get people to act as if they too believe that subjective belief which is not based on material reality.

The reality that male people are not in any way female, despite some male people’s passive demands regarding language, is not a ‘belief’.

Is this where we get back to being told ‘that is your belief’?

Is this where we get back to being called sex realists like sex is somehow a subjective belief and not materially real and proven science?

Plus ca change.

They are using the wrong toilet for their sex. Which is predatorial. Women say NO. What is it these males don't understand? The N, or the O?

Earlier in the thread, DumbfoundedAndUnhappy made the argument that he felt quite wrong being a human male and had become convinced he ought to have been born in a female body.

Since he had no idea, could in fact have no idea, what being a human female was like or involved, thinking he ought not to be a human male does not in fact automatically lead to the impossibility of having been born a human female, or being able so to alter his male human body as to resemble a female human one.

Paucity of imagination! Maybe he ought to have been born a horse, or a dolphin, or a red kite! And of these would be as possible to transfer to as a human female, and they are probably a lot more fun to be.

I wouldn't want to be a red kite. They're always getting hassled by crows,the poor things.

I think I'd like to be a neutered house cat. Playing, sleeping, demanding worship from my acolytes, sleeping some more. None of that yowling and fighting nonsense.

Yes, cats do quite well for themselves. Some dogs do too. And since I know as much about how a dolphin feels to be as Dumbfounded does about how a woman feels, I hesitate to judge whether I would want to be one.

Hamsters seem to have a short life but a merry one?

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime narky little bitey bastards in my experience.

How about a giant panda? Rolling places rather than walking and spend your whole life snacking.

When you strip away the philosophical theory (postmodernism / queer theory) and point to the fallacies that have been used to manipulate society into supporting a male person’s subjective belief that has no bearing on material reality or even logical cohesion there really isn’t anything left except the emotional manipulation. Hence why these discussions all go the same way.

If a person can not acknowledge full and unadorned material reality, and will swivel and distract and gaslight to try to show themselves to have even a smidgeon of credibility, it is a sign that there is nothing but manipulation there to support their claims. I wonder if some people with transgender identities have an inherent need to plead for understanding from those who reject compliance because they understand that support is quickly diminishing and they need to find just the right tactic to get that support back again.

It is like living in a psych experiment.

The inherent gaslighting though is clear once you understand how some people engage in it.

I already do that 😂
I'm Pandagenda- who knew?

That's a scary looking Mannie oh I mean wifie.

Weel it's a while since he wis a loon onnywhy.

Loon in Doric, or English?

Some men are so keen to co opt women's experiences that they claim to be victims of TRA.

Some men claim they can't help how people perceive them, suggesting they aren't doing anything to appear female - but have changed their birth certificate and claim to be legally female?

The same men claim not to be activists, but insist that women/girl/female aren't anything other than feeling in a man's head.

All men who claim to be women benefit from TRA, because they swish through the door that this activism has opened for them. They point to the extremes and say 'at least we're not as bad as them', suggesting that there is a mild 'inclusion' to be negotiated, and knowing they would use any gains the extremists have made.

The extreme is just what they havent managed to achieve yet, or fail to uphold. Once its established, like being able to falsify a bc, it stops being extreme in their eyes.

“Some men claim they can't help how people perceive them, suggesting they aren't doing anything to appear female - but have changed their birth certificate and claim to be legally female?”

And despite choosing to use estrogen supplements which are very famous for developing male breast tissue giving (at first glance) a female profile too.

But apparently, it is not those men’s fault that people treat them as if they are women, is it?