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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

US Supreme Court allows states to ban trans identified players from sexed sports competition & teams that do not align with that players birth sex

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 30/06/2026 15:37

https://x.com/scotusblog/status/2071957539931967495?s=46

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/24-43_2b35.pdf

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/06/30/us/supreme-court-trans-athletes?unlocked_article_code=1.uFA.j_M3.MAlRQCZzu4Eu&smid=nytcore-android-share

6/3 exactly along the political lines. How did the left leave peoples rights behind like this?

SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) on X

The first opinions are in the transgender athlete cases. In B.P.J., the court holds Title IX allows schools to provide separate women’s and men’s teams defined by biological sex, and WV has permissibly maintained female sports for biological females....

https://x.com/scotusblog/status/2071957539931967495?s=46

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ErrolTheDragon · 30/06/2026 23:00

Cailleach1 · 30/06/2026 22:54

Is it Emma Hilton?

Yes, she’s the one - Helen Joyce isn’t a scientist.

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 23:59

Screamingabdabz · 30/06/2026 22:52

“Trans friendly” = shit deal for girls and women.

Gilead in the making.

See, this kind of statement doesn’t help your cause ( which I actually agree with - I signed the failed petition to bring this to the ballot box in November). But this state is as far from Gilead as you can get. The governor and a lot of very left-wing progressive types are solidly behind that policy. It will take us terfy left-wingers time to get it on the ballot, at which time I am fairly confident that Mainers will reject the policy. But when you say this kind of stupid inflammatory and inaccurate stuff it just puts people’s backs up.

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 00:36

lcakethereforeIam · 30/06/2026 22:07

You could be right. The NYT article actually said it was the State's Democratic Secretary of State but didn't give a name. I misremembered it as the Governor. I'm assuming they're not the same person.

They are not the same person. The governor is Janet Mills and the Secretary of State is Shenna Bellows. Both are Democrats and both think TWAW. Shenna Bellows was a candidate in the Democratic primary for election as governor in November ( Janet Mills is term limited) but was defeated by Hannah Pingree, daughter of the current State Representative to Congress Chellie Pingree. Sadly I think Hannah is another TWAW True Believer.

GenderlessVoid · Yesterday 04:18

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 16:46

Here in Maine boys who identify as girls are allowed to take part in girls' sports at school. Not sure about college sports. It's a very trans-friendly state for the most part.

Not sure about college sports.

I don't know about community colleges but the NCAA, which covers inter-university competition at over 1,100 schools, doesn't allow transwomen to compete in women's sports.

Generally, when people talk about college scholarships for sports, the mean the NCAA.

NCAA women's sports:
A student-athlete assigned male at birth may not compete for an NCAA women's team.

A student-athlete assigned male at birth may practice on an NCAA women's team and receive all other benefits applicable to student-athletes. Division I leadership is planning to adopt roster limits in place of scholarship limits and new practice squad policies are still in development. [NB: The NCAA allows women's teams to have male practise players. They practise with the women's team but do not compete in inter-university competitions. It's fairly common for some sports like women's basketball and volleyball to practise against a few men along with the women on their team.]

A student-athlete assigned female at birth who has begun hormone therapy (e.g., testosterone) may not compete on a women's team. If such competition occurs, the team will be subject to NCAA mixed-team legislation, and the team will no longer be eligible for NCAA women's championships.

A student-athlete assigned female at birth who has begun hormone therapy (e.g., testosterone) may continue practicing with a women's team and receive all other benefits applicable to student-athletes.

Individual schools have the autonomy to determine athletics participation on their campuses.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2025/2/6/media-center-ncaa-announces-transgender-student-athlete-participation-policy-change.aspx

I assume that the last sentence applies to intramural sports and sports not covered by the NCAA. E.g., some unis have men's rugby but it's not an NCAA sport. (Women's rugby is an NCAA Emerging Sport so, if the uni elects to have a team governed by the NCAA, it can offer scholarships and must comply with NCAA rules. Some men's rugby teams compete under the NAIA, see below.) Club sports are not governed by the NCAA or the NAIA.

The National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics, the governing body for mostly small colleges, announced a policy ... that essentially bans transgender athletes from women's sports.

The NAIA's Council of Presidents approved the policy in a 20-0 vote Monday, according to CBS Sports. The NAIA, which oversees some 83,000 athletes at schools across the country, is believed to be the first college sports organization to take such a step.

According to the transgender participation policy, all athletes may participate in NAIA-sponsored male sports but only athletes whose biological sex is female and have not begun hormone therapy will be allowed participate in women's sports.

A student who has begun hormone therapy may participate in activities such as workouts, practices and team activities, but not in interscholastic competition.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/new-naia-policy-prevents-transgender-women-from-competing-in-womens-college-sports

Governance Update

NCAA announces transgender student-athlete participation policy change - NCAA.org

Men's category open to all eligible student-athletes, women's category restricted to student-athletes assigned female at birth, schools directed to foster welcoming environments on all campuses.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2025/2/6/media-center-ncaa-announces-transgender-student-athlete-participation-policy-change.aspx

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 06:00

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 23:59

See, this kind of statement doesn’t help your cause ( which I actually agree with - I signed the failed petition to bring this to the ballot box in November). But this state is as far from Gilead as you can get. The governor and a lot of very left-wing progressive types are solidly behind that policy. It will take us terfy left-wingers time to get it on the ballot, at which time I am fairly confident that Mainers will reject the policy. But when you say this kind of stupid inflammatory and inaccurate stuff it just puts people’s backs up.

It's absolutely true though.

This is where democrat policy has taken us.

callmeLoretta1 · Yesterday 06:09

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 23:59

See, this kind of statement doesn’t help your cause ( which I actually agree with - I signed the failed petition to bring this to the ballot box in November). But this state is as far from Gilead as you can get. The governor and a lot of very left-wing progressive types are solidly behind that policy. It will take us terfy left-wingers time to get it on the ballot, at which time I am fairly confident that Mainers will reject the policy. But when you say this kind of stupid inflammatory and inaccurate stuff it just puts people’s backs up.

That is not true. 'Trans friendly' almost always is a negative for the female sex. This is amply demonstrated.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 06:21

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 23:59

See, this kind of statement doesn’t help your cause ( which I actually agree with - I signed the failed petition to bring this to the ballot box in November). But this state is as far from Gilead as you can get. The governor and a lot of very left-wing progressive types are solidly behind that policy. It will take us terfy left-wingers time to get it on the ballot, at which time I am fairly confident that Mainers will reject the policy. But when you say this kind of stupid inflammatory and inaccurate stuff it just puts people’s backs up.

I glad to hear you are fighting back in Maine, I wish you luck, but maybe 'stupid inflammatory' that get's peoples backs up is the kick up the backside you need so you can pick up the pace. You don't have the luxury of time, you need to get it out of your schools just like we need to.
This claptrap comes from the USA, it's done untold damage to the whole of the West, the sooner it dies the death it deserves in the USA, the quicker it can be winkled out all over.

heathspeedwell · Yesterday 09:06

That's a great article, thanks Igneococcus. This really stood out to me: “Is anyone going to apologize for forcing us to undress with him 18 times a week?”

Those poor girls having to share a changing room with 6 foot 4 Lia Thomas. The sooner this ridiculous trend is laid to rest the better.

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 11:19

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 06:21

I glad to hear you are fighting back in Maine, I wish you luck, but maybe 'stupid inflammatory' that get's peoples backs up is the kick up the backside you need so you can pick up the pace. You don't have the luxury of time, you need to get it out of your schools just like we need to.
This claptrap comes from the USA, it's done untold damage to the whole of the West, the sooner it dies the death it deserves in the USA, the quicker it can be winkled out all over.

Again, this is inaccurate. Allowing self-identified males into women’s spaces is far more common in Europe than it is over here (at least in my neck of the woods - California and Washington state are more sold on it). Comparisons with Gilead just make people roll their eyes. Maine is two thirds the size of England and has a population of about 1.2 million. To the best of my knowledge we currently have one transwoman prisoner in the women’s prison population and the women there are mightily pissed off about it. He hasn’t been behaving well, (surprise surprise) and three women have launched a lawsuit against the state for allowing it.

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 11:27

According to Reduxx, children in one German high school in the 13-15 year old age range were given an assignment to design an “inclusive” brothel. I can’t imagine any school over here in however progressive an area having that kind of thing, and I’m thinking of my 14 year old granddaughter in New Jersey being faced with it - just wouldn’t happen and would meet with an explosion of protest. https://reduxx.info/german-children-given-inclusive-brothel-assignment-as-part-of-sexual-education-of-diversity-class/

German Children Given "Inclusive Brothel" Assignment As Part of "Sexual Education of Diversity" Class - Reduxx

Children in a sex education class in Germany were instructed to design a brothel “for everyone” as part of their course, sparking backlash from parents and even other students at the school. The children, aged between 13 and 15, received the assignment...

https://reduxx.info/german-children-given-inclusive-brothel-assignment-as-part-of-sexual-education-of-diversity-class/

LoudBlueSeal · Yesterday 14:56

CassOle · 30/06/2026 18:07

Page 36 has not gone down well with the TRAs:

"Men and boys with gender dysphoria are not women or
girls, even if they believe that they are"

Wow!!

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 15:30

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 11:19

Again, this is inaccurate. Allowing self-identified males into women’s spaces is far more common in Europe than it is over here (at least in my neck of the woods - California and Washington state are more sold on it). Comparisons with Gilead just make people roll their eyes. Maine is two thirds the size of England and has a population of about 1.2 million. To the best of my knowledge we currently have one transwoman prisoner in the women’s prison population and the women there are mightily pissed off about it. He hasn’t been behaving well, (surprise surprise) and three women have launched a lawsuit against the state for allowing it.

I think if you're going to compare Maine to the whole of Europe you're going to have to include whole of the USA.

Even Wales has more people in it than Maine, so saying that TIM's are allowed into women's spaces less in Maine with it's 1.2 million population, than Germany with 70 million population and the whole of Europe with it's 450 million population, it's a bit lobsided don't you think.

Once you factor all of your loony tune states, like California, into your maths, I'll think you'll find it happens just as much in the USA as it is in Europe.

Of course if you count Tranada as the 51st state you're sunk, so there's that. 😂

sashh · Yesterday 15:51

Chickadeeinme · 30/06/2026 16:46

Here in Maine boys who identify as girls are allowed to take part in girls' sports at school. Not sure about college sports. It's a very trans-friendly state for the most part.

So they get to cheat at school and steal college places from females. It's disgusting.

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 16:42

sashh · Yesterday 15:51

So they get to cheat at school and steal college places from females. It's disgusting.

I agree. That’s why I’m joining the effort to get the issue on the ballot.

MissConductUS · Yesterday 16:46

The ruling is being welcomed as a victory for common sense and women's rights. I haven't gone looking, but I'm sure the TRA's here aren't happy about it.

From the WSJ yesterday:

Women’s Sports Win at the Supreme Court - The Justices say states can ban biological men from women’s teams.

Cailleach1 · Yesterday 17:03

sashh · Yesterday 15:51

So they get to cheat at school and steal college places from females. It's disgusting.

Also, being given carte Blanche to expose themselves in the changing rooms, and I presume the real treat of engaging in voyeurism. All sexual offences against non consenting girls. Pressuring them to submit on pain of ostracisation, or loss of opportunity. Promoted by otherwise good people? Is that what we’re supposed to pretend.

Pallisers · Yesterday 17:12

6/3 exactly along the political lines. How did the left leave peoples rights behind like this?

As a liberal american living in a blue state this is the most important question for me. (although if I were a conservative american living in a red state I would be wondering how the right left the constitution behind given there were 3 justices who dissented in the birthright citizenship decision).

Not only are the left leaving people's rights behind, they are leaving their base behind too. This is such a stupid hill to die on - the right of biological males to be on women and girls sports teams. There isn't one left-leaning person I know who doesn't see the unfairness of this. American kids play sports - nearly every kid spends some time in town soccer or little league or pop warner or basketball. Whether they have boys or girls, people know the reality. The most they will say in defence is "well it is just a tiny number of trans people so ... "

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 17:34

Pallisers · Yesterday 17:12

6/3 exactly along the political lines. How did the left leave peoples rights behind like this?

As a liberal american living in a blue state this is the most important question for me. (although if I were a conservative american living in a red state I would be wondering how the right left the constitution behind given there were 3 justices who dissented in the birthright citizenship decision).

Not only are the left leaving people's rights behind, they are leaving their base behind too. This is such a stupid hill to die on - the right of biological males to be on women and girls sports teams. There isn't one left-leaning person I know who doesn't see the unfairness of this. American kids play sports - nearly every kid spends some time in town soccer or little league or pop warner or basketball. Whether they have boys or girls, people know the reality. The most they will say in defence is "well it is just a tiny number of trans people so ... "

I don't understand this either. What shocks me the most is that there is zero (or near zero) dissent. They are all in lockstep.

Why? Is it money? Donors? That's the only motivation I can see.

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 18:19

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 17:34

I don't understand this either. What shocks me the most is that there is zero (or near zero) dissent. They are all in lockstep.

Why? Is it money? Donors? That's the only motivation I can see.

The progressive left here, it seems to me, has decided that trans ”rights” are today’s equivalent of gay rights and civil rights for BIPOC. Therefore any attempt to stand up for women’s rights is labelled as “unkind”, right wing and MAGA policy. Therefore there is almost no recognition that a lot of us on the left don’t see it that way.

GenderlessVoid · Yesterday 18:50

sashh · Yesterday 15:51

So they get to cheat at school and steal college places from females. It's disgusting.

How are they going to steal college spaces from women? The NCAA doesn't allow transwomen to compete in women's sports so no school is going to recruit a transwoman to play on their teams.

I agree that boys shouldn't be competing against girls (or be allowed in single sex spaces) but since the NCAA (and, to a much lesser extent, the NAIA) changed its rules, you aren't going to have the problem of a Lia Thomas or a Blaire Fleming bc they are no longer allowed to compete on women's teams, regardless of what the state rules about transwoman are.

For top players in many sports in the USA, it's now more about NIL than scholarships anyway. A few women get up to 1 M USD a year, e.g., Livvy Dunne, Flau'jae Johnson, and NiJaree Canady. But that's only for the very top players.

sashh · Yesterday 20:25

GenderlessVoid · Yesterday 18:50

How are they going to steal college spaces from women? The NCAA doesn't allow transwomen to compete in women's sports so no school is going to recruit a transwoman to play on their teams.

I agree that boys shouldn't be competing against girls (or be allowed in single sex spaces) but since the NCAA (and, to a much lesser extent, the NAIA) changed its rules, you aren't going to have the problem of a Lia Thomas or a Blaire Fleming bc they are no longer allowed to compete on women's teams, regardless of what the state rules about transwoman are.

For top players in many sports in the USA, it's now more about NIL than scholarships anyway. A few women get up to 1 M USD a year, e.g., Livvy Dunne, Flau'jae Johnson, and NiJaree Canady. But that's only for the very top players.

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If they are on high-school teams they are taking the place of a youngwoman, then that woman cannot put on their college application that she was on a high school team. She also cannot say she has faster track times or the HS record for anything.

She might just give up on sports if she has had to share a locker rom with a male.

In fact she might not even try out for the team.

Pallisers · Yesterday 20:30

I don't understand this either. What shocks me the most is that there is zero (or near zero) dissent. They are all in lockstep.

There is some dissent - even in the party. Rep Seth Moulton spoke out after the last presidential election talking about the sports issue and saying look we have to be able at least to talk about this issue without immediate shut down. Of course he got immediate shut down from the democrats and liberal organisations but a lot of support from average voters and while the Boston Globe started with editorials saying this is terrible of Moulton they read their comment sections and starting thinking a bit. Most of the comments were along the lines of "lifelong liberal and democrat here and the purity tests on this issue - which is patently unfair - are killing me" And he didn't even get into the men in women's prisons question. (He is running for senate now against an incumbent senator who is excellent in many ways but who will be 86 at the end of his term if he is reelected - that's another major issue for democrats - the age thing and their magical belief that it doesn't matter or they will live forever)

GenderlessVoid · Yesterday 20:48

sashh · Yesterday 20:25

If they are on high-school teams they are taking the place of a youngwoman, then that woman cannot put on their college application that she was on a high school team. She also cannot say she has faster track times or the HS record for anything.

She might just give up on sports if she has had to share a locker rom with a male.

In fact she might not even try out for the team.

I'm not sure that applies to track and field since I don't think the size of the team is limited and colleges would be looking at times, not so much how someone placed. Uni coaches know from experience what times (or distance) an athlete will need to compete in their conference so that's what they look for.

For team sports, it would apply but you're only talking about the lowest person on the rung, who is very unlikely to be recruited for sports. Only top players generally get recruited. It's hard to be recruited in most sports unless you play (high school) club/travel teams and there are usually so many teams that anyone can join. Only a small percentage of players get recruited. I think a girl would be able to join one of those teams regardless of how many transgirls play, though I agree that some (many) girls might be discouraged if they had to play teams that have a transgirl on them.

I agree that locker rooms are a problem and that transwomen/girls should not share women's/girls' locker room.

I'm a fan of an NCAA uni and follow recruiting pretty closely. I don't think it will be a problem now that the NCAA has changed its rules. I guess we will see.