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The Bluestocking: home of the ice-cold Mojito foot-bath

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MarieDeGournay · 29/06/2026 18:06

Welcome all to the Bluestocking Women's Pub, where food and drink are free as in gluten free, calorie free, alcohol free - but still delicious. And free free too, of course.
Served by highly professional staff who are gerbils.

The Bluestocking Ice-Cold Mojito Foot-bath kept us deliciously cool through the heatwave. Come and join us, in case there's another one🌞

The Bluestocking: home of the ice-cold Mojito foot-bath
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MarieDeGournay · 02/07/2026 09:51

Morning all, commiserations to the hot and unrestedFlowers
Welcome back
ShinyBlueTrac
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Bore da and diolch for good wishes, Angle.

👋to everyone else and your stories about pigeons and poutine and things, sorry I haven't the mind-space to reply to all, as I usually like to because I enjoy them so much.

And some of Edith's recent beautiful Nature notes have passed by without comment, but as always, I loved them💚

I tentatively asked The Lads this morning 'Soooooo.... do you think...maybe.... you'll be able to ....you know.... finish up today?'
The short, somewhat humourless laugh was all I needed to know - not a chance.
I know that sounds a bit dodge, like they are finding things to do, but don't worry, they are recommended and reliable- 'sound' as we say in Ireland, 'kosher' as we used to say in East London [I think that's an OK piece of cultural appropriation, because it's used as a positive] and I've been saving up a few structural things to be fixed all at once so I'm not surprised a few more have revealed themselves.

I just want to have my own space back, I'm not used to having people - esp of the male kind - around for such long periods of time. And being so noisy, obviously!😩

Thank you for enabling the rant, I feel a bit better now. I'll just have to give myself a firm talking-to and remind myself that the work is necessary and A Good Thing and it could be worse.. Smile

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MarieDeGournay · 02/07/2026 10:15

I've just opened the Shirley Temple Tribunal thread, and my 'Why the theatrical paws?' post has had twenty-seven 'likes'😁
I'm tempted to email it to NC c/o her chambers, she might find it amusing too!
And I don't think there's been any laughs at the trib today, I think it's going to be tough going for 'EDW' - can't remember her full name.

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EdithStourton · 02/07/2026 11:19

ErrolTheDragon · 02/07/2026 09:48

Goodness me no, pigeons are very likely to shed their load. DH is always cautious passing underneath various bridges after a couple of incidents. Mind you, not quite as bad as the heron at the zoo in Amsterdam after its standoff with their pelicans. 😬

Seagulls also. One twice opened its bomb-bay over B&B, claiming loudly ('Guk! Guk-guk-GUK!') that they were far too close to its nest (they were 40 feet away and a floor or more down). On the way back it spotted them again and we had another session of dive-bombing and being shat at.

Fortunately it had terrible aim.

EdithStourton · 02/07/2026 11:20

Fame, Marie!
And have a restful weekend before the builder-boys return.

MyrtleLion · 02/07/2026 14:41

Went to the garden centre. Bought pot feet (£5.99 for three! Outrageous!) and compost.

Repotted sodden plant. It’s a waiting game now to see if it recovers.

Feeling emotionally disregulated the last few days. It will improve but I’m on the edge of tears all the time.

Magpiecomplex · 02/07/2026 14:54

MyrtleLion · 02/07/2026 14:41

Went to the garden centre. Bought pot feet (£5.99 for three! Outrageous!) and compost.

Repotted sodden plant. It’s a waiting game now to see if it recovers.

Feeling emotionally disregulated the last few days. It will improve but I’m on the edge of tears all the time.

I was feeling like that yesterday, I wonder if the weather might be having an effect?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/07/2026 15:24

I do wonder whether unusual barometric pressure has an effect on us - physically and emotionally. We have sun but it isn’t hot here - the door is open for anyone who wants to escape the heat.

We are considering a trip south to see the grandchildren, but apparently next weekend has another heatwave forecast, so they wouldn't be up for hosting us, and to be honest, I don’t think I would cope with such heat either, so we will have to wait and see.

MyrtleLion · 02/07/2026 16:07

The weather may be a factor. And we drank beer yesterday which meant I didn’t sleep well and that is definitely a factor.

EdithStourton · 02/07/2026 16:17

I think a lot of people are feeling out of sorts. I have some sort of minor virus and a bad shoulder, and have just had to spend half an hour pouring oil on the troubled waters of someone I just want to bloody shout at, TBH.

I spent the better part of 2 hours yesterday proofreading the newsletter I mentioned upthread - the one I was asked to proofread as people were moaning. Tact does not come naturally to me, but I did my absolute best, did a lot of 'if possible' and 'I expect it's too late', apologised for not doing it sooner (have legit not had the time) and sent it off last night - and opened my email up today to find a splendid strop awaiting me of 'Okay then, do YOU want to do it, huh?' variety.

And pouring the oil took up time I had planned to use to do stuff relating to a different organisation, which has to be done before Sunday. Honestly, if you want to do a good job, even as a volunteer, you have to accept other people's suggestions.

I am going to go and walk B&B and stuff everything else.

EdithStourton · 02/07/2026 18:31

I've ordered the 'Valtra' nail polish. I felt the need.
And I came back from the dog walk to find that ranty woman had wound her neck in - she hadn't actually apologised, but she had dismounted from her high horse and was guiltily kicking the dust about with the toe of her boot...

DeanElderberry · 02/07/2026 19:21

It's not just people, my freezer is acting up and I really don't want to buy a new one just now, I'm mulling relocating my kitchen and would sooner choose a new appliance after I know how much space I'll have for it.

I always get weepy and glum and out of sorts when it's hot. Okay at the moment but we're still west of the main lump of weather - it's actually forecast to go down to 7 overnight which would be a treat..

FuzzyPuffling · 02/07/2026 20:11

Both my heart conditions and my auto immune crap definitely worsen in the heat. Somedays I genuinely fear for my safety.
It's much easier to warm up in the cold than cool down in the heat.

MyrtleLion · 02/07/2026 20:18

Narnia tried three times to be admitted as a late entry to the Gerbil World Cup.

Griselda found the letter under the door at 6am, which was already suspicious, since the building had no letterbox and, as far as anyone knew, no door that led directly outside.

It was written in gold ink on paper that smelled faintly of pine and was signed, simply, The Beavers.

RE: LATE ENTRY — NARNIA

Griselda read it twice, then took it to the seed cupboard, which was where difficult conversations happened in Gerbil World Cup HQ.

“They want to enter,” she said. “Now. At this stage.”

Gertrude did not look up from the sunflower seeds she was sorting by what she called emotional weight. “Have they got a squad?”

“No.”

“Have they played a single qualifying match?”

“No.”

“Do they have a group stage result of any kind?”

“They have,” said Griselda, consulting the letter, “a prophecy.”

Gertrude set down a seed. This was, for Gertrude, the equivalent of standing up and leaving the room.

Gwendoline was already drafting the bulletin before anyone had asked her to, which was the trouble with Gwendoline — she wrote at the speed of anxiety. Her first draft read: BREAKING: NARNIA SEEKS ENTRY!!! She deleted the exclamation marks. Then reinserted one, out of what she would later describe as journalistic instinct. Then deleted it again and sat with the bare sentence for a long time, unhappy with how naked it looked.

Nobody could find Greta to ask her opinion, which was itself the opinion, somehow. She had been absent since Tuesday. When Griselda finally checked the bracket — the master bracket, the one kept under glass, the one nobody touched without gloves — there was a new line at the bottom in handwriting that was unmistakably Greta’s.

Narnia — TBC — always winter, never a qualifying campaign

Griselda stared at it for a long moment. There was no explaining how it had got there. There never was.

The ruling, when it came, was delivered by Griselda in full Tournament Operations voice, the one she used for decisions she’d already made peace with being unpopular:

“A team cannot enter a tournament it did not qualify for, however good its prophecy. The Hanseatic League got in on a technicality involving a defunct trade agreement, and even that took eleven months of paperwork. Narnia has a letter from some beavers and a talking lion who has, as far as I can tell, no FIFA eligibility whatsoever.”

Gertrude, unprompted, sent a single sunflower seed to the Beavers by way of reply. No note. Gertrude’s seeds were the note.

The last anyone heard, the lion had not taken it personally. Word came back — nobody would say from where — that he’d simply said it wasn’t the right time, and that there would, eventually, always be a next tournament, the way there is always, eventually, a spring.

Griselda filed the letter under Pending — Indefinitely, which was, everyone agreed, the kindest drawer in the cabinet.

Griselda made it official within the hour.

She pinned a single sheet to the noticeboard outside the seed cupboard, stamped DENIED in red, and underneath, in smaller print, the reasoning: No qualifying campaign. No squad. No group stage. A prophecy is not a playing record.
Gwendoline’s bulletin went out five minutes later, admirably restrained — one exclamation mark, earned, at the very end.

NARNIA’S BID REJECTED. THE BRACKET REMAINS AS IT WAS!

Gertrude sent a second seed after the first, which everyone understood to mean no hard feelings, but no.

By evening, the letter had been moved from Pending — Indefinitely to a drawer with no label at all, which was, in Tournament Operations terms, as final as it got.

Griselda checked the bracket under glass one more time before she left. Greta’s line was still there — Narnia — TBC — but someone, presumably Greta, had come back and drawn a single neat stroke through the whole thing.

Not crossed out. Just finished. The way a sentence ends.

Griselda had heard this argument before — usually from Gwendoline, always at the worst possible time — and she had a answer ready, because she always did.

“We’re gerbils,” Gwendoline said, not for the first time, “in a bracket held together with paperclips and one elephant shrew’s sense of fair play. We could let a talking lion in tomorrow if we wanted to. Nobody’s stopping us.”

Griselda did not look up from the master bracket. “That’s precisely why we don’t.”

She said it the way she said most important things — flatly, and only once, as though repetition would cheapen it.

“If the rules only apply when they’re convenient, they’re not rules. They’re moods. And a tournament run on moods is not a tournament, it’s a birthday party with a trophy.” She tapped the glass over the bracket, over the neat stroke through Greta’s line. “Everyone else queued. The Tunnel team qualified through actual, documented humiliation. Norway’s supporters camped outside this building for a fortnight in the rain. The Hanseatic League — who, I remind you, are not even a team — still filed the paperwork, because that’s what it costs to be taken seriously here.”

Gwendoline opened her mouth.

“A lion with a prophecy,” Griselda went on, before it could go anywhere, “doesn’t get to walk past all of that because the rest of us happen to be small and enjoy sunflower seeds. Especially not because of it.”

Gertrude, from the seed cupboard, without looking up: “Consistency is the only magic we’ve got.”

Griselda considered this the closing statement and did not add to it. The stamp stayed red. The drawer stayed unlabelled.

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The Bluestocking: home of the ice-cold Mojito foot-bath
EmpressaurusKitty · 02/07/2026 20:36

Anyone would think there was something unusual about talking lions…

Chickadeeinme · 02/07/2026 21:11

ff Narnia gets in, I think Middle Earth ought to have a chance. Imagine a team led by Elendil, Isildur, Anarion, Aragorn, Theoden and Denethor with teammates from among the dwarves and the elves, and Frodo there in the midfield. OK some of the players are old and some are in fact dead, but that won't necessarily stop them.

MarieDeGournay · 02/07/2026 21:12

I feel the influence of Burke on Griselda:

“If the rules only apply when they’re convenient, they’re not rules."
evokes his
'Reason is never inconvenient, but when it comes to be applied'

and
'Nobody’s stopping us.”
Griselda did not look up from the master bracket. “That’s precisely why we don’t.”

suggests that she may have been reading his Thoughts and Details on Scarcity:
'..the different department of things, what belongs to laws, and what manners alone can regulate'
Not that she can have much free time, running a World Cup with so many different department of things..

To day's noise included drilling through walls kind of noise, the kind that makes the house, and your insides, vibrate🙁

On the plus side, I had a fun chat with the Polish guy over a cuppa - he told me that the name Kowalksi means Smith, so we figured that the MacGowan ['son of the smith'] is Irish for Kowalski. And Lefevre is French for Kowalski, and Haddad is Arabic for MacGowan... and so on😃
We were going to go on to translate John Smith or Paddy Murphy into other languages, but he decided he'd better get on with the work!

Those of you with knowledge of other languages can run with the idea...

I also spent quite a bit of time following the Shirley Temple trib, I was mistaken about who was being cross-examined, it was ED not EDW or EWD or whichever it is. Every bit as [Edith, cover Doggie's ears, please!] batshit as ST himself.
It kept my mind off the drilling and hammeringSmile

I'm sorry that some of you are feeling bleaauggggh - is that an accurate representation of how you feel? and I hope things get better soon.
I'm sure barometric pressure has something to do with it, and of course the heat is a real challenge for you, Fuzzy with your heart and auto-imm conditionsFlowers

I think I'll say an early g'night though I'm not actually going to bed yet - it's broad daylight still, that would remind me of being a child and wailing 'But Mammy I shouldn't have to go to bed, it's still daytiiiiiiimmmmmmme😭' at this time of year.Smile

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FuzzyPuffling · 02/07/2026 21:17

I want Sooty, Sweep and Soo to be a team. Might as well.

FuzzyPuffling · 02/07/2026 21:19

Marie...
" In winter I get up at night
And dress by yellow candlight.
In summer, quite the other way
I have to go to bed by day"

EmpressaurusKitty · 02/07/2026 21:26

FuzzyPuffling · 02/07/2026 21:17

I want Sooty, Sweep and Soo to be a team. Might as well.

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What about the Wombles?

Magpiecomplex · 02/07/2026 21:42

EmpressaurusKitty · 02/07/2026 21:26

What about the Wombles?

Oh yes!

AngleofRepose · 02/07/2026 21:51

Interesting, Marie! Hope you have a good early night.

Seems like Smith might be:

Herrero/Herrera in Spanish (another word for blacksmith is forjador, but I've never heard of that as a surname)

and

Goff in Welsh (blacksmith = gof)

I do recognize the surname Goff from South Wales, but it's not common (at least not to me)

The usual in Wales (for non-English or other origin) is a first name used as a surname (both male and female: John is used as a surname, as is Owen; the most common I think is Jones. Some women and girls have their middle name or their mother's first name as their surname, but this is usually adopted at school where there are 15 other Rhians in your class, so there's Rhian Mair, Rhian Sioned, Rhian Haf, etc. Usually a nickname that often becomes the surname)

or

the usual patronymic: if you're in a Welsh-speaking area (Cymru Cymraeg), this could be ap Robert (son of Robert ), ap Rhys, ap Owain, which, in non-Welsh speaking areas (or simply due to time/usage), becomes Probert, Price, Bowen.

I occasionally see the matronymic: ferch Mair (merch=daughter, of Mair/Mary) but it's a very recent thing (past 20 years or so) and only in Cymru Cymraeg, or pockets in Cardiff and Swansea.

DauntlessDamson · 02/07/2026 21:54

FuzzyPuffling · 02/07/2026 21:17

I want Sooty, Sweep and Soo to be a team. Might as well.

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Or the Flowerpot Men and Little Weed (showing my age here).

Magpiecomplex · 02/07/2026 21:56

DauntlessDamson · 02/07/2026 21:54

Or the Flowerpot Men and Little Weed (showing my age here).

I think my vote goes to the Clangers.

EdithStourton · 02/07/2026 21:56

Chickadeeinme · 02/07/2026 21:11

ff Narnia gets in, I think Middle Earth ought to have a chance. Imagine a team led by Elendil, Isildur, Anarion, Aragorn, Theoden and Denethor with teammates from among the dwarves and the elves, and Frodo there in the midfield. OK some of the players are old and some are in fact dead, but that won't necessarily stop them.

I'm trying to imagine the Riders of Rohan as the supporters.

If I'd been in New Zealand when they filmed that scene, I would have begged, borrowed or stolen a horse so that I could take part in it...

Magpiecomplex · 02/07/2026 21:57

Magpiecomplex · 02/07/2026 21:56

I think my vote goes to the Clangers.

Second vote goes to Bagpuss's mice.