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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is being trans a 'disease'/mental health issue?

436 replies

SolveMyPrombles · 26/06/2026 20:05

I'm asking on this board for deliberate considered responses so please do share your thoughts.

A lady on a local group has described being trans as a mental illness that should be treated with compassion not pandered to because it's a disease.

Looking into it more deeply I believe she's wrong and there is no current diagnostic manual that agrees with her take.

What do you think?

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borntobequiet · Today 13:59

Baileyonice · Today 11:08

Gender ideolgues never really understood feminism; they just took some of its theses for granted. Feminism was never really just one theory anyway.

You can't have it both ways. Either males & females overlap or they don't AND that was/is the main takeaway that could only legitimise equality.

GC's conveniently don't understand how principles need to be consistent to be regarded as principles.

You can't have it both ways. Either males & females overlap or they don't AND that was/is the main takeaway that could only legitimise equality.

There’s so much wrong with this on every level that it’s impossible to address.

Many years ago I asked a Maths class, what was the probability of their being seriously injured on their way home from school. 50/50, they replied - either they would or they wouldn’t. After a little while they discovered that in fact, it wasn’t that simple.

And that’s only the start of the faulty reasoning and misinterpretation of language in this post.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · Today 14:24

murasaki · Today 12:38

I agree re the TRAs infighting. It's all a bit Judean popular front, people's front of Judea etc.

Splitters.

(Why have I only just realized this??)

Of course - the only way the activists were able to stay on the same page in the past was because the page said one thing, and one thing only: No Debate. They didn't have to think or articulate anything past that, because there was nothing past that.

Now they're all having to learn to think and argue for themselves, all the different renditions are being sung! That's why we're now hearing all the conflicting arguments...

I guess everyone else has already come to this conclusion, and I'm being extraordinarily dim...?

(talk about not seeing the wood for the trees)

Error404FucksNotFound · Today 14:26

borntobequiet · Today 13:59

You can't have it both ways. Either males & females overlap or they don't AND that was/is the main takeaway that could only legitimise equality.

There’s so much wrong with this on every level that it’s impossible to address.

Many years ago I asked a Maths class, what was the probability of their being seriously injured on their way home from school. 50/50, they replied - either they would or they wouldn’t. After a little while they discovered that in fact, it wasn’t that simple.

And that’s only the start of the faulty reasoning and misinterpretation of language in this post.

Edited

Is that the probability formula thing?

borntobequiet · Today 14:33

Error404FucksNotFound · Today 14:26

Is that the probability formula thing?

It wasn’t a good example really because the faulty reasoning in the post was almost impossible to characterise, but it seemed to involve the same sort of simplistic logic that, if correct, would have seen half the class in plaster casts or slings the next day.

Imdunfer · Today 14:38

Baileyonice · Today 10:48

What makes you qualified enough to dismiss other posters as unqualified?

Because I'm quoting scientific studies as opposed to unsupported 'feelz'.

I'll tell you what scientific study I want to see BoI. The one that does an analysis of whether trans people are happier after transition and if not explores exactly why suicide rates and mental health problems remain sky high compared to the population as a whole.

But those studies can't be done because funding is withdrawn every time the trans activists realise what is being proposed.

So the trans movement can conveniently go on ignoring de-transitioners and continue claiming that the reason that trans people are still unhappy after transition is because of how badly society treats them, not because they've found out that transition itself has not solved their mental health problems.

Seethlaw · Today 14:56

Imdunfer · Today 14:38

I'll tell you what scientific study I want to see BoI. The one that does an analysis of whether trans people are happier after transition and if not explores exactly why suicide rates and mental health problems remain sky high compared to the population as a whole.

But those studies can't be done because funding is withdrawn every time the trans activists realise what is being proposed.

So the trans movement can conveniently go on ignoring de-transitioners and continue claiming that the reason that trans people are still unhappy after transition is because of how badly society treats them, not because they've found out that transition itself has not solved their mental health problems.

I'll tell you what scientific study I want to see BoI. The one that does an analysis of whether trans people are happier after transition and if not explores exactly why suicide rates and mental health problems remain sky high compared to the population as a whole.

Yes, please!

So the trans movement can conveniently go on ignoring de-transitioners and continue claiming that the reason that trans people are still unhappy after transition is because of how badly society treats them, not because they've found out that transition itself has not solved their mental health problems.

When I transitioned 15 years ago, it was already well-known - though talked about only in whispers - that the most positive times during a transition (such as when going through a major gender-affirming surgery, or obtaining legal recognition of one's gender through opposite-sex papers) were possibly the most dangerous times as well, precisely because that's when a deluded person is forced to face the fact that transitioning doesn't bring about the miraculous solution to their problems that they had thought it would all along.

So yeah, it's criminal that those studies are not conducted, when the community already knows about all this.

Helleofabore · Today 15:06

Baileyonice · Today 11:03

Not as desperate as someone attempting to pretend men & women are exactly the same!

Her statement is self explanatory. She doesn't think Jenner's experience 'qualifies' him as a woman implying there's a female common experience.

At this point you are wilfully misunderstanding the obvious hypocrisy here.

Who is trying to convince people that “men & women are exactly the same!

If you are accusing people of wilful misunderstanding and hypocrisy that really is projection from you.

Or … is it that you don’t understand what Greer said and you don’t understand the feminist campaign for equality of opportunity through equitable solutions?

is that it? You thought that women and girls asking to be treated as equals was a blunt and false statement that female people were ‘equal’ meaning there were no differences?

Her statement IS self explanatory about the family dynamics that allowed Jenner to be a successful man in his career. She doesn’t think Jenner is female because he isn’t, and he has benefited in being able to concentrate on his success because he had a wife who took on the role of primary carer. The statistics show that this is a decision that is common in families and often driven by the inequality in pay rates between male and female employees.

Now, not every female person makes those decisions, I have a number of friends where it was the other way around. But it is ridiculous to deny that it is a common decision.

Greer also did not say that if Jenner did take the role of primary carer that Jenner would be a female either. Because that would be another absurd assertion to make.

I think at this stage you are stuck trying to make your personal theories sound plausible. You are heavily invested in trying to find some aspect to leverage some male people into the female sex class.

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 15:07

Like many, I have found myself pondering @SolveMyPrombles OP. Partly due to the heat. But actually I have been grappling with it for nearly 10 years in fact, as I tried to support my DC. Some posters and lurkers here will recognise me despite a recent name change.

Because I have only ever seen the distress, the angst, the anger my child feels. Mainly at how women are perceived, at how she felt starting her menses - during the Weinstein trial and Trump’s grab ‘em by the pussy’ tapes and the height of the MeToo movement that confirmed that women are vulnerable and men have all the power. I understood that periods are shit if you start them relatively early, that the hormones and emotional turbulence they bring are difficult to navigate, especially if you have an as yet undiagnosed ND condition - or more than one. But she didn’t.

For much of this time I thought it was an extreme reaction to societal pressures and that she would find her way, come to terms with it. But the self-harming, the suicidal ideation, the actual (admittedly feeble) attempts at suicide spoke of something deeper. I then spent years thinking it was my and DH’s fault. Was he too masc? He has a corporate job, is often away with work, is sporty and happiest with the trad-male household jobs that his dad and grandfather taught him (plumbing, gardening, wiring). I wondered whether she was starved of his attention when home because he sort of relates to our son a little more easily. I wondered whether I had contributed to a toxic home environment that affirmed genders - I am SAHP because we have no local family to support and returning to my corporate pre baby job would mean nannies, staff and I hadn’t wanted that for my kids. Did she look at me and see an ultra femme and weak parent? Was I to blame for telegraphing and affirming toxic gendered stereotypes? I asked myself this over and over.

Except that I know this was not the case. My DH has lavished time and affection on both kids, encouraged both in STEM and the arts, dedicated his weekends to supporting both. Both were offered the access to the same sports and arts activities. There was no pink or blue to be seen amongst their toys. We let them steer and gently pushed back against sexist, racist and homophobic comments by their friends. DH cooks and does housework. I have worn a dress a dozen times in as many years and as I am as likely to be knee deep in polyfilla, emulsion and white spirit as I am carving my way through a month’s ironing with a bottle of vino and a gruesome crime boxed set. A few weeks ago I had my first ever manicure (BIAB which I have just seriously tested today hand sanding down the wooden kitchen counters and applying Danish oil. Not sure that was the oil I was supposed to drench my cuticles with, but hey, I’ve skinned my knuckles anyway).

When I explained to DD that I did not know what she meant by a gendered soul, many years ago now, because I don’t have a ‘gendered identity’ she said that was ‘very terfy of you mum’. But the thing is, I don’t - I was adopted into an apparently liberal Iranian muslim family where there were nonethless very clear expectations for women and girls. Women gave up their seats for male relatives of any age, even if there were 4 sofas and only one female person seated. Women ate after men had been served. Once I hit puberty my dad had very clear and strict ideas on how I could dress and the fact that it was MY responsibility to ensure I did not excite the sexual attention of men. Not theirs. It did mess me up and I, like my mother, had an ED by the time I was at uni, but I was fully recovered by the time I had kids. But did I telegraph my ingrained body shyness or residual issues with food? I’d be naive if I thought DD didn’t pick something up over the years.

I am probably very femme to people looking at me and my life - I sew, craft, play woodwind instruments, am an [feminist] English/creative writing post-grad. I’ve just hand knitted blankets for each of my kids for university, FGS. I desperately wanted kids - but to heal after a dysfunctional childhood, not because I am a ‘woman’. Do I ‘feel’ feminine? No. I just AM a woman. I no more understand what ‘being a woman’ is for other women, than I understand being British, or ND, or white. I only understand what my experience of those things are through the lens that is ‘me’.

So where does that leave us as a family? How can my DD have had such a visceral response to her changing female body? And it was the changing bit that was the issue. She had no issues with being a girl before her periods started and her breast began to bud. I truly do not think she ‘wants to be a man’. She just doesn't want to mature into a woman with a body that feels alien, with a mind/maturity that hasn’t caught up yet, in a world that she is struggling to understand, where the narrative around women is hostile, where toxic masculinity is recognisably an issue within certain demographics. I mean - it’s all a bit shit, isn’t it?

As far as I can see, my DD has never had any trauma other than puberty itself. A puberty she was not quite ready for, that being ND made harder for her to navigate, a puberty that is continually being pathologised by society and which the current social, political and clinical narrative is one where, rather than offer support for young people who are struggling - whether through autism, family trauma, confusion over sexual preference etc - we offer to medicalise it. I think she started as a distressed and confused little girl and society’s response to her distress has damaged her.

So no I don’t think she - or any other ‘trans’ person - has a disease. I think she has a maladaptive and negative reaction to adolescenceand her sexed body that gender ideology has weaponised and used to deeply and utterly harm her. I think she is ‘ill’ but I am constantly hopeful that given time and space - and no conversion therapy legislation or tacit cultural condoning of medicalising adolescence that the PB trial communicates - she and others like her COULD get better. Mental illness doesn’t have to be permanent. It doesn’t have to define a person - but cosmetically altering their bodies or giving them cross-sex hormones which we know do more harm than good, when they are too young to make other life altering decisions alone or unguided by parents - well, this risks trapping them in a mental ill-health cycle for life. I, personally, think that is unconscionable.

BettyBooper · Today 15:13

@AnonyMumAuDHD Your post makes so much sense. I'm sorry for what your DD is going through. Thanks for posting. 🌻

Helleofabore · Today 15:19

Baileyonice · Today 10:48

What makes you qualified enough to dismiss other posters as unqualified?

Because I'm quoting scientific studies as opposed to unsupported 'feelz'.

Errrr

Was this supposed to a witty gotcha?

You are posting papers pointing out some researcher’s self-reporting questionnaire that even the researchers understand the limitations of, that does not do anything to eliminate aspirational bias or answering what the respondents want the researcher to see. Then you are the one trying to argue that those traits are somehow tools for categorising human sex classes all the while never once in months of repeating this same argument coming up with any workable way to define the boundaries of those categories.

What you have been doing is effectively saying ‘but, but… behaviours … traits…’ as if what you are pointing to is in any way relevant to categorising humans into stable, reliable and useful sex classes.

For the gazillionth time, of course there is overlap with personality and behavioural traits of male and female humans. None of those personality and behavioural traits define what sex class they are in.

Again for the gazillionth time, who the fuck arbitrates who is and isn’t at the ‘female’ enough because of their behaviour or personality?

You really are posting about ‘unsupported feelz’ desperately wanting what you say to be true.

anyolddinosaur · Today 15:22

"trans" covers a lot of things doesnt it. You have men who think womens jails will be nicer who claim to have transitioned and find their gender dysphoria disappears when they get out. That strikes me as fairly rational so not a mental illness. Then you have those who convince themselves they have become a biological woman or that they will disappear if anyone says they dont believe they are a woman - they strike me as mentally ill. Then you have those with internalised homophobia or homophobic families, girls who want to identify out of modern gender expectations, autistic children who think they've found a group that gets them, abuse survivors who have learnt to hate their bodies and probably a few more I've temporarily forgotten. The one thing they all (apart from the deliberate fakes) have in common is a delusion.

If someone told me they were Christ, or God, Napoleon, or a reincarnation of Cleopatra or massively overweight when they are anorexic most people would agree they were mentally ill - one divorce from reality is not any different to the others. People with Alzheimer's frequently live in an older version of reality and forget their friends and family.

You can have compassion for the problems that have led them to where they are without agreeing with delusions.

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