Tempest v Rural Payments Agency Tribunal Thread (follow on from Chair of SEEN is being sued)

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Previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5031904-the-chair-of-seen-is-being-sued
TT substack: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/tempest-vs-defra-and-rural-payments

Tempest (a TW) is claiming discrimination, harassment and/or victimisation on grounds of gender reassignment. Central to the claim is the Sex Equality and Equity Network in the Civil Service (SEEN or IP). SEEN has been granted right to intervene. Parts of the original claim against the co-chair of SEEN (Elspeth Duemmer-Wrigley) and another party (Andreas Mueller) were struck out or narrowed. Another claimant, PQ, is no longer part of the case.

The hearing is in Leeds; the number of online observers has been limited by the court due to "capacity" and posters are reporting that requests for links are being declined on those grounds.

Also to note that Elspeth still has a garden in need of seeds and water to support the ability of SEEN to be an intervenor in this case.

Since we’ve gone Disney with Tinkerbell he is giving me vibes like Ursula in the Little Mermiad…. Except more scary.

My apologies - but goes to show - you had an actual physical reaction to something pretty frightening versus Tinkerbell’s existence eroding drama over a few neutral text based messages.

Can i go bed yet or am I doomed to a hundred posts to chase in the morning

I was thinking more Evil Edna from Willo The Wisp. The Kenneth Williams voiceover is just the cherry on the cake, particularly if he starts to cross over with Round The Horne.

“Ooh, in ‘ee BOLD?!”

That depends on whether @SexRealistic continues to be a big meanie.

And if you can sleep.

And - now - whether @SidewaysOtter continues to join in the upset.

But@SexRealistic is correct about the visceral reaction. I have it in real life as well, to a far greater extent than I used to, because I now know too much. On the plus side, I now rarely feel the need to be kind.

Well that is a no then 😂

I have just been exposed to some wildness too - what even is this thing?

It’s like the magic roundabout but totally weirder….

I am going to wake up in the morning and someone will have sorted all my Union questions.

Anyone trying to run a sex realist case is at a detriment as the Unions are so captured. So Union lay panel members are likely to be pro-trans because of the environment they’ve had to conform to over longer periods of time.

The thing you have to remember about 70s (and, to an extent 80s) children’s TV, is that it was written by people who’d taken a LOT of drugs in the 60s.

AL: J apologies, I need to check a reference - I think, 1307 - yes.
AL: This is Lewis Silkin on your behalf to Lorraine A, request to be placed on fully paid special leave immediately.

This struck me as quite interesting, given that ST was complaining about forking out for £60 counselling sessions. Is this the well-known law firm Lewis Silkin? Because if so, I'd imagine getting them to act for you in an employment matter would cost quite a tidy amount. Where was that money coming from, I wonder?

What a clear manipulation, among many, of the financial aspects of the sick pay policy. I bet his whole department can't wait for him to lose this tribunal and be sacked/made redundant/re-organised.

He's clearly not, but the organisation, DEFRA, civil service, bottled getting rid. Now as a job seeker it is nigh on impossible to get into the Civil Service, so how do these people get in. Clearly there were performance issues, his own w/s.

....Couldn't work in fear...something would happen. JFC. What did this man think was going to happen in his professional office environment? Totally deluded.

Well he's gone on sick for every other paid opportunity.

I agree. He is fraudently taking tax payers money. But sadly not expecting him to ever repay.

Well not quite, pension, funded by the tax payer. And at his age that will be quite generous. Even if he isn't working.

But one really has to hope that wouldn't qualify this individual for early retirement benefits on grounds of fake mental health issues. I could perhaps edit the word fake, just can't remember how to do so on the app.

And hadn't necessarily stopped.

Yes - Lewis Silkin acts for Tinkerbell and was acting for someone anonymous who was suing Andreas Muller. That case was withdrawn by the claimant earlier this year. No money was agreed ro settle and AM is free to talk about it.

Two claimants, a case years in the making, three weeks of a KC. It’s a lot more than £360 total (maybe that would buy one letter).

So the game was rigged from the start. They were setting up the case before Tinkerbell had started to play the game in earnest.

There is a financial backer and one who has been directing all of this for years.

I woukd like to thank the funder though. It’s a lovely vignette of male entitlement and bullying & silencing women. He is well resourced, hasn’t been doing much work, gets the vapors if someone says sex and real in the same paragraph.

He such a typical needy entitled man.

I am hoping that Naomi asks him to clarify exactly what harm he thought may come to him from others holding views he didn’t like.

On a wider point, this issue of “being unsafe” comes up again and again. Where the hell did it come from, the idea that a) you must never be uncomfortable and b) uncomfortable = unsafe?

Well if this chap can’t cope with glimpsing a perfectly reasonable email, I wonder how he’ll manage a day being cross examined by NC.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall as NC and CE do their prep today!

Do we know Elves is on this case? I’d love it if so…

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2003/mar/08/workandcareers.jobsandmoney

apparently our Graham was full time in PCS Union from 1988 to 2009 (I think he retired then). Nearly 20 years in the legal team and as a Senior National Officer.

Headline is about being a ‘firebrand’. 😣

He would have been at the vanguard of the GRA 2004 changes and adoption wholesale into the Union policies etc.

I think I saw her name on one of the docs from the earlier hearings, so I hope so.
Even if she isn’t, I’m sure she’ll pick up the phone to NC if she calls!

A case review plus a single letter from a junior solicitor is in the order of about £1800 plus VAT based on DH recent experience with some work stuff

Sorry im not keeping up - is this the judge?