Transgender women will not be prosecuted in the use of women’s single sex facilities

[Theotheruser]

You can support transgender rights or not but the law isn’t itself politics. Transgender women will not be prosecuted in the use of women’s single sex facilities in public in the standard use the facilities was built for.

A standard use is:

• A transgender woman goes into the women’s toilet facilities in a cubicle for the purposes of relieving bodily fluids.
• A transgender woman goes into the women’s changing facilities in a cubicle for the purposes of removing clothing for leisure activities.
• A transgender woman goes into the women’s toilet facilities to protect the transgender women of being attacked or sexually assaulted.

A transgender woman in the standard uses of the women’s facilities are not exposing the users of the single sex facilities.

A transgender woman in the standard uses of the women’s facilities are not exposing child users in the single sex facilities.

A child user using single sex women’s facilities can’t deny other women public access of the facilities the child user believes are transgender.

With official documentation of the new sex will be difficult to disprove the claim of the transgender women being the male sex.

No harassment or sexual offences can be found against the transgender woman in the standard use of the women’s facilities with official documentation of the new sex.

A woman in the women’s single sex facility can be prosecuted for an offence and or removed if the woman is abusing or harassing the other user of being transgender without proof.

A woman recording and sharing publicly the other user without proof of being transgender can prosecuted.

The Supreme Court ruling or EHRC guidance has not changed the law to prosecute transgender women in women’s single sex spaces.

Transgender women have history of official records to support beyond a reasonable doubt the new gender identity. Have protection of gender discrimination.

Prosecution of transgender women is not going to work in the standard uses of the women’s facilities.

A woman can complain to management but unless management decides to take action to resolve the issue no action can be taken against the other user.

Tough. When you make a lifestyle choice, the law doesn't bend around you.

I didn’t say it’s more important. The discomfort of both groups is equally important which is why adequate alternative provision is needed

Not a lifestyle choice but ok

But they won’t accept that, and frankly I’m past caring because they’ve never shown an ounce of care about women’s discomfort.

It’s a lifestyle choice for a lot of transwomen. The ones who post videos of themselves wanking in the women’s toilets and stealing used tampons aren’t poor confused men who’ve been born in the wrong body, are they?

@MyAmpleSheep

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The risk assessment couldn’t guarantee the 💯 safety of the transgender women using the man’s toilets. Health and Safety reasons. A transgender woman must be given facilities to use. There is one disabled toilet but if it was out of order. The transgender woman can use the women’s toilets.

Hahaha

needs a chess board

So why is it safe for a man to use the women’s ?

But why not? What was the actual safety issue? How is a man peeing with other men at risk but women peeing with men not?

“All of us women” 👍

I guess that’s too bad, given that’s how sex based spaces work.

It is easier to not notice a transgender woman in the women’s space and go on with your life.

It's actually easier for the man to just stay the fuck out of somewhere he's not supposed to be. But that thought doesn't even seem to occur to you does it?

And if a new woman joins who objects, she can veto it, policy or no policy.

The law can't guarantee 100% safety for anyone.

They can take their chances in the men's. Most men just want to get and out and not even look at anyone, according to DP.

Admit, they're there in the women's for passing validation, and bonus points if it's inconsenting women.

We see it.

I can’t say. The manager told the women in the break room to decide if a transgender woman can use the toilet or not. We know the person for 5 years and non of the women had issues with the person and respected us. We accepted.

Anyone who is so keen to transgress both the law, and the rights of women, whether for themselves or by proxy , probably needs their hard drive checked.

Nope. No truce.

The men just need to go back in the gents where they belong.

Im not sure that your manager should have done that given the imbalance of power. I do hope you are in a Union.

It will be the disabled toilets business will use as third and fourth spaces. The toilet will be clogged or dirty so it will be bad for disabled people.

Is this user also accusing trans people of being unable to leave the toilet in an acceptable state? I’m very confused.

You sound well aware that this man is not a woman op, as does your manager, and everyone else. Funny that.

This thread is gold! So much material, it's like it's Christmas 😁

Sorry to burst that bubble, but the argument has already been won; and even if you don't have the time or bandwidth to pursue it further, there are plenty of committed people who are - along with a purpose built legal and campaign structure to facilitate it.

And if any of the women had had issues and had dared to say so, how would that have been received?