Dundee girl with axe verdict- Ilia Belov found guilty of assault and injury

[snowbear22]

The Dundee girl who brandished an axe has been vindicated today as the court case has proved that she acted in self defence, her sister was attacked by the adults Ilia Belov and his sister.
Ilia Belov has today been convicted of assault and injury and making sexual remarks to a child.
The court heard previously that the 12-year-old girl Belov attacked admitted pulling a knife and axe from her waistband, but only after Belov had assaulted her.
The girl told the trial previously that her sister started to shout at Belov after the remarks, but the pair were pulled away by a friend.
She then told the court Belova approached the group, pushed her and threw her sister to the ground.

At the time the girl was believed to be the aggressor by many, particularly Freddy Sayers, editor of UnHeard, who called the reaction to the video 'propaganda slop' and Kathleen Stock's article, which did not defend or show much sympathy for the girls although the 12 year old is clearly scared in the video, but was concerned about the right wing narrative on X which emerged as it fitted the narrative of anti immigrant propaganda.

Link to origional vidio filmed by Mr Belov

Ilia Belov & sister found guilty of attacking girls in Dundee

Kathleen Stock 'Britain doesn’t need stupid hot takes'

She was but as she was only 12 and had no prior convictions she will have been given a diversion from prosecution.
Scotland soft on crime soft on the causes of crime. Though in this case I think counselling and a social worker is the right call

I don't think anyone ever said the answer was to arm children. And actually I dont think you think that either.

The question was whether the two girls were excessively aggressive/feral or whether they were responding to a genuine threat in the only way they know how to.

The reason for that is that they believed that nobody else was prepared to help them - and the eagerness to assume the worst of them (the two girls) suggests that they weren't wrong in that.
Here's what the police said at the time. Clearly portraying the girls in the worst possible light. In fact it reminds me very much of the way Hampshire Police tried to present Henry Nowak as the aggressor in the incident that led to his own death. Nowak's parents managed to prevent that from happening, but that's no thanks to the police.

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/2065406007694725137?s=20

Oh I know I live in fife and have friends who live in Dundee so I'm very much aware of what hasn't been reported.
I was pointing out that it was a hatchet not an axe because people keep trying to say axe and machete (on the other thread about this) so they can keep blaming the victims and minimise the behaviour of a violent sexually predatory man and his violent sister

Lonk to the express article https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/smirking-bulgarian-guilty-assaulting-12-37282604

I am a white middle class woman from a working class background and I do not trust the police.

I sympathise with these girls arming themselves.

It’s absolutely sickening that in 2026 we still can’t make girls feel safe out on the streets.

I remember a story years ago of a girl who was raped by a classmate; long story short, clever lawyer and evidence was not conclusive and he ended up going straight home to mum and dad. She changed school to avoid him. He deliberately went out of his way to walk past the girl’s house on the way to school every single day after that. Her family had to move away.

The police do not always help. The legal system is slow and often ends up failing to hand out justice.

And we wonder why girls carry knives?

Very scary and sadly keeps happening. As usual blame the victim. He's smiling walking out the court so clearly doesn't give a flying fuck. Why can they not deport him and his vile sister. I'm going to arm my teen daughter with a small can of hairspray, she may be able to spray someone in the face and run away if anyone were to come at her. Anyone have any ideas of anything else a teen could carry legally that would stop these bastards getting near them? Can you legally get pepperspray in this country? This is happening everywhere, a woman my way was followed home whilst walking her dog and some creep kept growling in her ear, not bothered by her dog barking at him very strange sinister behaviour. There are also groups of (Asian) men hanging around our local park creeping on women/girls. I run alone sometimes with my dog, never used to feel unsafe but now I look behind me all the time. It's a sad state of affairs and when judges are allowing rapists off such as those teen boys it does not set a good example to men that thier behaviour is unacceptable.

Mumsnet deleted my post inexplicably about the Bulgarian grooming gang sent down in Dundee. So here is the link from the BBC VERIFIED by the BBC.
Dundee grooming gang jailed for raping and sexually abusing women - BBC News https://share.google/3KgZXF27zthxteq9q

Me too (working class background, now middle class).

One of the things you often need to do growing up as a low income girl in a rough area is develop an aggressive 'mask' - particularly if you don't have a father or any male relatives to defend you. If anyone thinks you are soft or vulnerable, you are at even more risk. I wish that middle class / professional feminists understood this, instead of subjecting vulnerable female children to the same standards as privileged ladies.

I think pepper spray is no longer legal, but I’m trying to get my hands on some as I finish work at 11 pm and can’t drive.
There’s another thread about this where people are trying to say not just that the girl shouldn’t have had a knife but also shouldn’t have been loitering at a park, as if it’s a crime for tween girls to hang out together.
Victim blaming at its finest

Its illegal now but spray on deep heat is

The thing about working class girls is that they are not over proteced or have a helicopter parent hovering over them all the time. In the case of this girl she would have heard about the Bulgarian gangs who have just been detained operating in her area and taken out a knife to defend herself and her sister. The convicted criminal in this case was a Bulgarian who punched her in the street and sexually assaulted her.

Horrific. (Romanian not Bulgarian though)

Mumsnet and the BBC et al refuse to believe that certain people come here to commit crime and when you see how people have started a hate campaign against a 12 year old girl who was assaulted by immigrants you can see why. How disgusting to hate on a 12 year old girl? What is wrong with you?

He didn't sexually assault her he made inappropriate sexual comments and propositioned her for "sexy time"🤮🤬

He didn't sexually assault her he made inappropriate sexual comments and propositioned her for "sexy time"🤮🤬

He propositioned a 12 year old and he may be put on the Sex Offernder Register. FFS

He punched her and bought his sister along to punch her. There are photos of her injuries. Very serious contusions and blows to the head, all cheered on by the likes of lefties and unfortunately Bindel and Stock. Fuckem.

It is the height of hypocrisy, isn’t it? The police put out misinformation/disinformation themselves. They stated that the girls (‘youths’) approached the Bulgarian couple. John Swinney swiftly commenting that misinformation was circulating. Yet, we now know it was not misinformation that the dodgy man was the one harassing the girls. Also, it was the man and his sister who assaulted the girls.

First of all, if it was not clear what happened, the police shouldn’t have put out that statement. However, the truth, and the fairness for the girls seem to have been incidental to them. If it wasn’t yet established exactly what happened, the police knew it could be a falsehood they were peddling. So, I think the police knowingly saying something that they knew could be untrue was disinformation. They just didn’t care if what they said was true or not, and tried to pretend others were the one’s peddling lies.

Second of all, if on checking of cctv etc, they could see what happened, they should have retracted what they said as being unsubstantiated. They could easily have said their previous statement was misinformation. If they were quite happy to issue that first statement claiming the girls had approached the couple, it would be a bit coy to suddenly pretend to be concerned about an ongoing case. There should be a formal apology to the girls and their families if that is not already done. And the public they are supposed to serve without fear or favour. And a change in their fast and loose approach to their statements. Especially when it involves women and girls, as this seems to be their very careless spot.

If John Swinney was concerned about misinformation, he should have said it will all come out in the trial. Not adding his tuppence into the misinformation soup.

I think it is how the police, and politicians, acted which is most worrying (and shocking) here. I mean, would you really trust them with any sexual crimes.

Ok, I’m very cynical. And I think becoming more so with every revelation of how the police/ authorities/ societies are complicit in the abuse and lack of justice for women and girls.

Very annoyed that Bindel and Stock jumped on this bandwagon. Stock has lost some of my sympathy because she accepts 'preferred pronouns' and uses them, but I know I do too, or slide past and use a name (I live in one of the most captured LAs in the UK - not Brighton, thank the Lord - and I would find myself ousted from a lot of things I enjoy if I didn't - cowardly, much).
They've no excuse for assuming this girl was a racist thug.

If any child in my care wanted to take an axe out with them to protect themselves I’d tell them to stay home. If anyone here says they’d do different they’re either lying or genuinely bad at keeping kids safe. I completely agree that it shouldn’t be the girls staying home, and policing needs to change. But arming children with knives and axes is a terrible solution.

This is unfair. Bindel and Stock were very wrong but they absolutely weren’t cheering the assault of children. How do you think we can have a reasonable conversation and make progress while you resort to the sort of hyperbole who would make a TRA proud?!

What? I am not a TRA. Far from it.

Bindel and Stock are petrified of being called Ultras so were unable to see how ridiculous it was that a girl had to resort to carrying weapons because of the fear of ever being called racist for pointing out the bleeding obvious.

Apparently hairspray (very strong hold) is a substitute and is a completely reasonable item to have in a handbag

This girl at only 12 years old had the realisation that no one was coming to protect her. What tenacity to stand up to this vile man. What a world where children are literally fighting for their survival on our streets. When are our police force and political leaders going to recognise children? Not very.much has changed if anything over the decades. Our prisons are full and men are left to do as they please. The last thing I want is for children to be armed with weapons but attitudes to what is acceptable behaviour of adults needs to seriously change. Really tough sentencing and deportation for a start. We shouldn't be tolerating the low level crime. We shouldn't have to live like this.

There should be dedicated police officers in the community who are up to speed on child safeguarding and know how to respond to child victims. It's not difficult and they've shown they can get on board when it comes to gender identity and race issues. Why not prioritise our children with such zeal.

@mrshoho 👏12 years old.