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A man having fun most of the night in the women's toilets. Can't make this up.

96 replies

MyAmpleSheep · 09/06/2026 17:46

A man having fun in the women's toilets. FFS.

For Lexi, the ladies is a huge part of her new life living openly as a woman. “I don’t want to go back. I have my life”. There are nights out where she spends most of the night in the women’s loos “chatting complete shit with other drunk girls”.
“You’ll be in there and someone will say ‘oh I love your coat, and you’ll say ‘I love your hat,’ and you’ll have a great time, you’ll chat-chat-chat,” she says.
“I don’t want to give that up, not now that I’ve had that. I don’t take a second of my life as a woman for granted because I know what it was like before. It wasn’t fun.”

https://thebristolcable.org/2026/06/i-dont-want-to-use-the-trans-loos/

'I don't want to use the trans loos'

In the first in a series, trans Bristolians tell their stories about how the Supreme Court's recent decision has impacted their lives

https://thebristolcable.org/2026/06/i-dont-want-to-use-the-trans-loos/

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HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 12/06/2026 10:01

RAPID ONSET WOMEN OF COLOUR CONCERN (with apologies to Dennis Noel Kavanagh)

PersephoneParlormaid · 12/06/2026 10:03

Me, me, me, want, want, want.🤢

GreyskySexRealistsky · 12/06/2026 10:13

And why are these abusive men going to stay out of toilets if they're told trans women can't go in them?
They are already breaking the law by abusing women, does anyone imagine 'Oh, I really can't go into women's spaces now, I'll leave off abusing them in there in case I get in trouble'.

The point is that it makes women feel able to challenge any man in a women's single sex space because he is obviously not in the right place. And is therefore dodgy (if genuinely not mistaken).

Allowing some men into women's spaces blurs the boundaries. Women, and particularly girls, feel they can't challenge his presence.

It takes a level of protection away. And who does that benefit?

How anyone cannot see this is beyond me.

EmotionalSupportWren · 12/06/2026 10:19

lcakethereforeIam · 09/06/2026 18:32

When I first spoke to Tegan, she was working in child care. A 15-year-old girl she was caring for asked her to start taking her swimming. “Luckily, in Bristol, the [changing rooms for the] swimming pools aren’t sex segregated, they’re just cubicles,” she says. But she was still certain that someone would have something to say about a trans woman accompanying a teen girl swimming.

'A man shouldn't be taking a teenaged girl into the women's changing room'. He was worried people would be saying stuff like that? He should be.

That's giving me strong Jessica Yaniv 'topless pool parties/no parents allowed' flashbacks.

SwirlyGates · 12/06/2026 10:32

Echobelly · 12/06/2026 09:49

And why are these abusive men going to stay out of toilets if they're told trans women can't go in them?

They are already breaking the law by abusing women, does anyone imagine 'Oh, I really can't go into women's spaces now, I'll leave off abusing them in there in case I get in trouble'.

If somehow this ban is enforceable, is any one really expecting to see a measurable drop in abuse of women as a result? I can't see it doing anything to actually protect women. In fact it will open up more women to aggression and harassment because effectively it will be encouraging the sort of people (including men) who like to police people's gender expression to call out people they decide might not be female, and we know, for example, that women of colour are more like to be 'masculinised' and have their femininity questioned for example.

Have you not seen the reports of women complaining to staff about males in women's facilities? And who is deemed to be in the wrong, and possibly banned? The women. Clarity in the law will put a stop to that for the start. These are changing rooms not toilets, but still:

London, woman banned by council for complaining about man in changing room.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/12/23/council-gym-trans-row/

Masturbation in NY. "The young woman alerted the front desk staff at the time, but the employees didn’t know how to handle the situation, she said."
https://nypost.com/2026/01/05/us-news/trans-gymgoer-caught-masturbating-in-womens-bathroom-at-california-planet-fitness/

LA
https://www.foxla.com/news/woman-claims-transgender-woman-verbally-taunted-her-gym-locker-room

There are plenty of other examples.

Trans gymgoer caught ‘masturbating’ in women’s bathroom at California Planet Fitness

Disturbing viral video shows the moment a transgender gymgoer appears to be masturbating in a stall inside the women’s bathroom at a Planet Fitness in California.

https://nypost.com/2026/01/05/us-news/trans-gymgoer-caught-masturbating-in-womens-bathroom-at-california-planet-fitness/

GreyskySexRealistsky · 12/06/2026 10:36

Miranda Newsome, the "woman banned by council" in the first link above ^ posted on here about her experience. It makes enlightening reading.

Datun · 12/06/2026 12:07

Echobelly · 12/06/2026 09:49

And why are these abusive men going to stay out of toilets if they're told trans women can't go in them?

They are already breaking the law by abusing women, does anyone imagine 'Oh, I really can't go into women's spaces now, I'll leave off abusing them in there in case I get in trouble'.

If somehow this ban is enforceable, is any one really expecting to see a measurable drop in abuse of women as a result? I can't see it doing anything to actually protect women. In fact it will open up more women to aggression and harassment because effectively it will be encouraging the sort of people (including men) who like to police people's gender expression to call out people they decide might not be female, and we know, for example, that women of colour are more like to be 'masculinised' and have their femininity questioned for example.

You clearly have no idea about women's experiences.

All you can think of is 'abuse'.

The very presence of a man doing what you would consider absolutely nothing can be incredibly intimidating.

You're clueless about this.

A man knowing that the women can't throw him out, for one. Even the briefest eye contact is enough. A lascivious smirk.

It doesn't have to constitute what you consider 'abuse' to feel, and be, incredibly abusive indeed.

Edited add, that in case it's not crystal clear, being able to keep men, all men, one hundred percent of the time, out of women's spaces, does indeed reduce the abuse.

WhatterySquash · 12/06/2026 12:08

Echobelly · 12/06/2026 09:49

And why are these abusive men going to stay out of toilets if they're told trans women can't go in them?

They are already breaking the law by abusing women, does anyone imagine 'Oh, I really can't go into women's spaces now, I'll leave off abusing them in there in case I get in trouble'.

If somehow this ban is enforceable, is any one really expecting to see a measurable drop in abuse of women as a result? I can't see it doing anything to actually protect women. In fact it will open up more women to aggression and harassment because effectively it will be encouraging the sort of people (including men) who like to police people's gender expression to call out people they decide might not be female, and we know, for example, that women of colour are more like to be 'masculinised' and have their femininity questioned for example.

Everyone knows what sex they are (with very few exceptions generally among children in countries with v limited healthcare).

Single sex spaces used to work because most people knew to go in the one for their own sex. If they didn't, deliberately, they'd be considered a pervert or predator (if male) or confused/inappropriate/potentially at risk (if female). Going in the wrong one accidentally was embarrassing. That's because not only women, but also most men, like privacy from the opposite sex in the toilets (and in various other spaces where you might be undressed, vulnerable etc).

Anyone breaking these rules could be freely challenged or reported and security or police called if they wouldn't leave. That stigma and risk meant even most dodgy/predatory men wouldn't bother.

Now, according to TRAs and many deluded organisations (though thankfully not UK law) we're meant to celebrate and welcome men with fetishes about the idea of being a woman, and even worse, recite the lie that they are women and have them in all our spaces, just because the man says so! If you can't see that a bunch of the worst predatory, fetishistic and pervy men are going to grab that opportunity with both hands and use it for sexual gratification, for a sense of power over women, and for the enjoyment of making women uncomfortable, you must be very dim indeed.

And it's not just about "attacks". There most certainly have been attacks on women and girls by trans-IDing males in women's spaces, including toilets, hospital wards and prisons. But it's much more than that. Ogling, upskirting,, taking photos over or under stalls, verbal harassment, intimidation - they are all reasons women should have single sex, actual woman only spaces. They all make women and girls miserable, scared and in many cases self-exclude to avoid them. There's also the issue of women whose religion or culture means they can't share such a space with males, so they self-exclude. These are often the ethnic minority women you like to use for your argument.

Finally is we have self-ID and any man who just says "I'm a woman" can go in women's spaces, then the men who you think want to attack trans women can also do that, and come in after them. So "inclusive" toilets and other spaces actually have no safety or dignity for anyone.

No it's not always going to work 100%, no rule or law does. There is such a thing as a successful disguise and some people will always break any rule. But we have categories and spaces that exclude or include on the basis of age, disability and other things that can be hard to prove or identify visually immediately. (And that actually are a spectrum too, unlike sex.) They work because the law, institutions and organisations are prepared to enforce them and have reality-based ID for them, and people are happy to report fraudsters, as they haven't been comprehensively lied to about the law and reality for over a decade by activist organisations, and can do so without retribution. Because of this, they work, because most people don't take the piss.

If you want to pretend you're 70 when you're actually 60 to get your pension, or that you are have cerebral palsy when you actually don't to win in the paralympics, that will probably not work out for you - even though you could do a really great imitation, even though it could be hard to tell. That's because most people don't want the stigma of being exposed as a fake, people wouldn't be punished for reporting them, and the systems we have would expose them soon enough.

Datun · 12/06/2026 12:10

WhatterySquash · 12/06/2026 12:08

Everyone knows what sex they are (with very few exceptions generally among children in countries with v limited healthcare).

Single sex spaces used to work because most people knew to go in the one for their own sex. If they didn't, deliberately, they'd be considered a pervert or predator (if male) or confused/inappropriate/potentially at risk (if female). Going in the wrong one accidentally was embarrassing. That's because not only women, but also most men, like privacy from the opposite sex in the toilets (and in various other spaces where you might be undressed, vulnerable etc).

Anyone breaking these rules could be freely challenged or reported and security or police called if they wouldn't leave. That stigma and risk meant even most dodgy/predatory men wouldn't bother.

Now, according to TRAs and many deluded organisations (though thankfully not UK law) we're meant to celebrate and welcome men with fetishes about the idea of being a woman, and even worse, recite the lie that they are women and have them in all our spaces, just because the man says so! If you can't see that a bunch of the worst predatory, fetishistic and pervy men are going to grab that opportunity with both hands and use it for sexual gratification, for a sense of power over women, and for the enjoyment of making women uncomfortable, you must be very dim indeed.

And it's not just about "attacks". There most certainly have been attacks on women and girls by trans-IDing males in women's spaces, including toilets, hospital wards and prisons. But it's much more than that. Ogling, upskirting,, taking photos over or under stalls, verbal harassment, intimidation - they are all reasons women should have single sex, actual woman only spaces. They all make women and girls miserable, scared and in many cases self-exclude to avoid them. There's also the issue of women whose religion or culture means they can't share such a space with males, so they self-exclude. These are often the ethnic minority women you like to use for your argument.

Finally is we have self-ID and any man who just says "I'm a woman" can go in women's spaces, then the men who you think want to attack trans women can also do that, and come in after them. So "inclusive" toilets and other spaces actually have no safety or dignity for anyone.

No it's not always going to work 100%, no rule or law does. There is such a thing as a successful disguise and some people will always break any rule. But we have categories and spaces that exclude or include on the basis of age, disability and other things that can be hard to prove or identify visually immediately. (And that actually are a spectrum too, unlike sex.) They work because the law, institutions and organisations are prepared to enforce them and have reality-based ID for them, and people are happy to report fraudsters, as they haven't been comprehensively lied to about the law and reality for over a decade by activist organisations, and can do so without retribution. Because of this, they work, because most people don't take the piss.

If you want to pretend you're 70 when you're actually 60 to get your pension, or that you are have cerebral palsy when you actually don't to win in the paralympics, that will probably not work out for you - even though you could do a really great imitation, even though it could be hard to tell. That's because most people don't want the stigma of being exposed as a fake, people wouldn't be punished for reporting them, and the systems we have would expose them soon enough.

If you can't see that a bunch of the worst predatory, fetishistic and pervy men are going to grab that opportunity with both hands and use it for sexual gratification, for a sense of power over women, and for the enjoyment of making women uncomfortable, you must be very dim indeed.

Or very male indeed

WhatterySquash · 12/06/2026 12:31

Plus, the prison stats show that men who ID as trans are massively more likely than women, and significantly more likely than other men, to be sex offenders. They are also more likely to be murderers than to be murdered themselves.

Women don't feel comfortable with males in their single-sex spaces because of the risks men pose statistically overall, and the fact that men's greater strength and aggression means most men can overpower most women. Yet we're meant to welcome and ego-soothe a special demographic of men with extra high sex offending rates? Why?

MyAmpleSheep · 12/06/2026 12:45

Echobelly · 12/06/2026 09:49

And why are these abusive men going to stay out of toilets if they're told trans women can't go in them?

They are already breaking the law by abusing women, does anyone imagine 'Oh, I really can't go into women's spaces now, I'll leave off abusing them in there in case I get in trouble'.

If somehow this ban is enforceable, is any one really expecting to see a measurable drop in abuse of women as a result? I can't see it doing anything to actually protect women. In fact it will open up more women to aggression and harassment because effectively it will be encouraging the sort of people (including men) who like to police people's gender expression to call out people they decide might not be female, and we know, for example, that women of colour are more like to be 'masculinised' and have their femininity questioned for example.

I don’t think there’s a cadre of men who have “decided” to be abusive. I think there’s a wide spectrum of men who under the right circumstances are willing to engage in a range of abusive behaviour.

perhoas a good analogy is a cash box - why have a (flimsy) lock on a cash box when someone who has decided to steal can either break it, or just steal the whole box? It’s a psychological hurdle that will dissuade 95% of the people who would happily pocket some cash if it were left lying unprotected on a counter.

Crime, or unwanted behaviour, is diminished when it’s made harder or less acceptable. We don’t eliminate bank robberies by having secure vaults. We don’t eliminate speeding with speed cameras. We don’t get rid of the issue of driving under the influence of alcohol by having media campaigns about it. But these are all worthwhile harm reduction measures.

All these things have a deterrent effect and reduce the behaviour that we want to eliminate.

Its a valid and proper measure to make women safer to make it less welcome for men to enter women’s toilets.

nobody is pretending its a 100% foolproof measure, but that is not the criterion for whether it’s worthwhile.

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DugnuttEyeBoogies · 12/06/2026 12:49

Mochudubh · 09/06/2026 18:09

It's the bollocks that they all pass and that using the toilets for their sex would out them.

Mate, the reason you haven't been challenged in the ladies is that WE SEE YOU and we don't want to challenge you because we don't know how you'll react. If a woman chats shit with you, I'll lay good money that she's just trying to deflect until she can get out of there.

This. It’s called self preservation, not sisterhood.

harderthanIexpected · 12/06/2026 14:40

Echobelly · 12/06/2026 09:49

And why are these abusive men going to stay out of toilets if they're told trans women can't go in them?

They are already breaking the law by abusing women, does anyone imagine 'Oh, I really can't go into women's spaces now, I'll leave off abusing them in there in case I get in trouble'.

If somehow this ban is enforceable, is any one really expecting to see a measurable drop in abuse of women as a result? I can't see it doing anything to actually protect women. In fact it will open up more women to aggression and harassment because effectively it will be encouraging the sort of people (including men) who like to police people's gender expression to call out people they decide might not be female, and we know, for example, that women of colour are more like to be 'masculinised' and have their femininity questioned for example.

You make some very good points.

We have cars regularly speeding though our 30mph village at 60. It's very difficult to enforce the limit consistently at all times, and as far as I know none of these drivers have ever hit a child on our street, so personally I think having a speed limit at all is quite restrictive on the people who really enjoy driving fast and the best course of action would be to abolish the limit entirely.

oldtiredcyclist · 12/06/2026 15:02

EmotionalSupportWren · 12/06/2026 10:19

That's giving me strong Jessica Yaniv 'topless pool parties/no parents allowed' flashbacks.

You saved me posting the same thing. My introduction to all this was around 2017/18, with Yaniv, McKinnon, Madigan and Challenor. I had hoped it would get better, sooner, but it hasn't really, although the Supreme Court decision was a positive.

TheProvincialLady · 12/06/2026 15:09

Clubbing in the 90s I saw plenty of women who hung out in the loos a lot and the occasional trans woman (yes, they existed then) and also gay men hanging about to have a chat and no one batted an eyelid.

I “batted an eyelid” on the rare occasions when this happened in the 90s. I felt very uncomfortable. But being 5 foot nothing and less than 7 stones, I wasn’t going to bat anything at the hulking weirdos who took up residence in the ladies loos.

Maybe you were ok with it but I wasn’t and I couldn’t do anything about it.

Holidaymodeon · 13/06/2026 02:26

Flukeman · 11/06/2026 13:02

He literally says he often spends most of the evenings in the toilet. Know any women who do that?

The cokey ones

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 13/06/2026 03:10

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/06/2026 18:03

Sarah* is a trans woman. She used to be able to go to the supermarket in pyjamas, but now she puts on a full face of makeup before leaving the house. “It feels much more imperative that I pass, or at least that I don’t look conspicuous.” ‘

What a bonkers article. I’m pretty sure ‘Sarah’ would be as conspicuous in his pyjamas in the supermarket as with a full face of make up. Why do people think that pyjamas in the supermarket is remotely acceptable?

So this individual has a history of breaching known social norms and deliberately making others uncomfortable.

You don't need to go to the supermarket in pyjamas. If you want soft-textured clothes, there are plenty of alternatives to pyjamas that are appropriate for a public setting.

SomeGarlic · 13/06/2026 03:44

Datun · 11/06/2026 14:31

but it can be a highlight to just hang out and meet with people in what can be the only place you can hold a conversation!

i've been to loads of clubs and I would seriously never even consider this as a concept, let alone an actual experience.

Depends if you went to clubs with nice loos. Many used to have 'beauty bars' with plenty of space, good mirrors and lighting, even an armchair or two. They were intended as social spaces - very helpful, given the amount of overbearing male behaviour women could be suffering out in the club.

I don't know if that's changed. Presumably there are still nice ladies' loos ... and presumably they're no longer a sure refuge from testosterone-heavy pressures.

Apopos · 13/06/2026 03:54

‘Drunk women’ = ‘ vulnerable women.’

Igmum · 13/06/2026 08:57

We certainly hung round in the toilets when I was clubbing in the 80s (no armchairs but a chair) but IIRC anyone who stayed there for ages was either very drunk or depressed. It was the pre-social media equivalent of posting ‘I’m sooooooo SSAAAAAADDDDDD’ online and we would often go back in to cheer up the sad girl.

And yes, it sounds creepy AF for a man to hold court in the ladies all evening.

Datun · 13/06/2026 09:56

Igmum · 13/06/2026 08:57

We certainly hung round in the toilets when I was clubbing in the 80s (no armchairs but a chair) but IIRC anyone who stayed there for ages was either very drunk or depressed. It was the pre-social media equivalent of posting ‘I’m sooooooo SSAAAAAADDDDDD’ online and we would often go back in to cheer up the sad girl.

And yes, it sounds creepy AF for a man to hold court in the ladies all evening.

Exactly.

There would often be a crying/drunk girl, bit of drama, etc. But I would never have considered it a highlight to hang out there all evening in order to make friends/conversation.

A bloke doing it is just an invasion.

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