Article on "arguing with a TERF"

[MyAmpleSheep]

I love to keep up with the other side, so here's a lot of words just to say "it's complicated." meanwhile he ignores the obvious answer to his own question.

www.fasttrackfemme.com/p/why-you-cant-win-an-argument-with

what is the actual risk of allowing trans women into women’s spaces, weighed against the actual cost of excluding them, in light of the actual evidence?

Fuck me, he said the quiet part out loud. What is the risk to women, compared to the risk to men. That is what he is asking. In other words, he thinks women should be put at risk to protect men.

Women, who were safe in single sex spaces, should lose that and be put at risk to protect men.

What an arse.

One of the many logical fallacies in his argument is that when you open a massive safeguarding loophole, only well meaning middle aged trans identified men will walk through it.

For someone dim enough to believe it, I guess you don’t need to worry about arguing whether a man can be a woman.🙄

What these men assume is that a lone female presenting man will have a very high chance of being attacked in the male toilets.

A woman will have a low chance of meeting a man in the toilet at all, and the chance of him being a rapists and having the opportunity to attack is even lower.

So they are comparing a perceived, say 70% chance of the man being attack, to a .1% chance of a woman being attack by a female presenting man.

What they are failing to grasp is that the point of the female toilet is to give privacy, dignity and safety to women. If men use the space, it is no longer fit for purpose. It doesnt matter if only 1% of the male population use it, it still stops being a space for only women.

What these men assume is that a lone female presenting man will have a very high chance of being attacked in the male toilets.

Is there really a high chance of attack in the men's toilets? From what I understand about men's toilets (although I'm not a man, so this is just what I've been told), men go in there, do what they need to do as quickly as possible, don't speak to or make eye contact with any other men in there, then leave.

There seems to be this myth that men are constantly lying in wait in the men's toilets waiting for a TIM to beat up. I don't think there's any truth in this myth.

In the middle is the podcast graduate. He’s done the reading, by which I mean he’s consumed four hundred hours of Jordan Peterson, Helen Joyce and the rest of the brigade, and he has mistaken agreeing with a confident presenter for having thought something through.

Oh the irony of being accused of not having thought something through.

I didn't read the article but looked at the pictures instead . It's got a flow chart .

Remember Philipson used the scenario of a pregnant woman using the men’s toilets when arguing about common sense application of the law. Perfectly safe for pregnant women but not for TW.

It's interesting that his examples of 'Terfs' are all men

That's just bizarre, isn't it? 'Terf' after all means radical feminist.

One of our local theatres has mixed sex loos which I hate.

Really cannot imagine that the sort of bloke that goes to the theatre would be violent toward a TIM in the gents. They make such a huge fuss about this “danger” yet a cursory glance at any stats will show it’s women that actually are at risk from men.

At a seaside carpark I noticed they had mixed sex loos, four of them. They each occupied a space equivalent to a parking space in the already packed carpark. So the council is losing the income from at least four spaces. They, at the mo., looked brand new. The charge was 40p! Im not sure but i don't think they accept coins. I don't know how they'd stop someone spending the night in them.

I went to the single sex toilet at the nearby Community Centre, also had an inexpensive cuppa and a lovely homemade cake. The majority of visitors wouldn't know those facilities were there, and the opening hours are a little haphazard. I doubt they could cope if their use became widespread.

It's doesnt make sense, unless the danger is that they don't look like women, but men in women's clothes. Passing TW would be safe in mens toilets?

Their argument about the relative safety of men and womens loos assumes the women's are always busy, therefore theres no chance of abuse and the men's are mostly empty with a lone violent transphobe always lurking.

Also that the danger is always of direct assault or stalking, rather than facilitating some wanker installing up a concealed camera or other recording device, or some other wanker flashing, a yet another wanker urinating on the stall floor or the seat (or leaving some other wanker fluid behind).

So many reasons for not wanting men in the women's loos.

https://www.fasttrackfemme.com/p/i-really-loved-her

Here he is talking about how he abandoned his wife and three children to chase his misogynistic fantasy.

So many references to Ireland in this piece that I wonder if his anonymity, and more importantly that of his family, is sufficiently protected.

He has a degree of insight - his wife feeling that she has won the reverse lottery for instance, the effect on his children - 'especially' his son, which implies there's also a daughter who he feels less guilty about.

But the 'joy' of seeing himself in the mirror outweighs all that....

He mentions 3 children, so there must be 2 daughters as well as the son.

I don't think he's trying to be anonymous. There are photos of him all over the blog.

Was coming here to say the same thing - he even mentions Helen Joyce but assumes that all commentators are men!

I wonder if he noticed that the Supreme Court judgement in the UK was "For Women Scotland "

I'm happy with a one rung argument tbh.

A man cannot become a woman.

It's unbelievable self-absorbed

But they always are!

Hav you read the one about having his willy cut off? It's all big fake tits about which "everyone clapped" and Victoria's Secret underwear. Jesus, dude, no one wants to see that.

People of both sexes do tend rather to despise women who spend their time shouting mememememe and telling the world all about their (rather boring, usually) lives in blogs or otherwise internetly; why should we be expected to react any differently when it's a man shouting mememememe while asserting that he is a woman? After the first two or three, they are all the bloody same, after all.

The whole model is just three rungs:

1. A man cannot become a woman.
2. Therefore a trans woman is a man.
3. Therefore a trans woman must be kept out of women’s spaces. And out of the sport, the prison, the changing room, the documents, the pronouns, the basic kindness

Good of him to summarise the GC position so succinctly. Shame he couldn't do the same for his own beliefs

At this point I do wonder whether trans identifying men are actually safer in the women's toilets. I feel like a man is more likely to get beaten up (by another man) for entering women's spaces than he is to get beaten up for wearing a dress in mens spaces.

He's more likely to get laughed at and teased in the men's I'm sure. Perhaps for a trans identified man that is seen as worse?!

I’m sure it is a fear of ridicule. As the quote goes:

Men are afraid women will laugh at them.
Women are afraid men will kill them.