Article on "arguing with a TERF"

[MyAmpleSheep]

I love to keep up with the other side, so here's a lot of words just to say "it's complicated." meanwhile he ignores the obvious answer to his own question.

www.fasttrackfemme.com/p/why-you-cant-win-an-argument-with

Women!

you know how you thought you had a right to stuff like single sex lavs to preserve your privacy, dignity and safety and you could get on with other stuff?

au contraire ladies! Some sad men in frocks really need unfettered access to your stuff to make them feel happier, so now you must explain yet a-fucking-gain why women sometimes have stuff that men can’t help themselves to/take your employers and associates creepy fellas to court

But either way, there is no benefit to women.

I think you forget who women's spaces are actually for. Their purpose is not as a prize for men to claim, or a boundary for men to test.

“The educated in society” 🤣

... lower priority, but I guess it would also be nice to be able to call a man a man or a woman a woman. Delusion causes distress, not everyday people acknowledging reality.

Well that’s easily solved

stay out of women’s spaces and provisions

i’ll then seldom think about men who enjoy role playing as women ever again except to periodically roll my eyes at their inherent sexism in a ‘live and let live’ kind of way

@theilltemperedamateur
"Single-sex spaces for safety purposes only operate as intended if we base them on macro-level data. Otherwise we would have to assess each person individually for risk level, which would be impossible."

True.

"It's not up to women to prove he's a risk. It's up to him to prove he's not. How? 'I don't pose a risk because I wear women's clothing'? Ridiculous."

The author isn't arguing that clothing choices reduce risk, nor are they asking for individual, person-by-person assessments. The argument is about demographic risk. Medical organizations don't define someone as trans based on clothing. It is verified through factors like phenotypic expression and biological markers.
The question is whether the macro-level data for that verified demographic sub-cohort matches the macro-level data of the general male population.

"Plus there are other reasons for women to want privacy from men. In which case, what matters isn't what he wants. It's what the women want."

If the boundary is strictly about privacy, then the statistics, the risk assessment, and the demographic data don't matter at all. Which is fine. You can simply state that information is irrelevant, then the debate will move to what is relevant for you.

This poster is <chef’s kiss> 😂

Why exactly should we be jumping through his hoops in the first place?

Me too! Problem goes away.

Medical organizations don't define someone as trans based on clothing. It is verified through factors like phenotypic expression and biological markers.

Gatekeepers! Someone is trans if they say they are trans. Acceptance without exception, remember.

Because it is fucking simple.

When it comes to be being kind, and respectful, and ensuring those members of society who are traditionally, statistically and routinely shat upon are protected, then yes, it's very, very simple.

For literally millennia, women and girls have been second class citizens. For a tiny, tiny percentage (most historians pitch this at around 2%) of our very existence have we had any kind of autonomy, rights, or been listened to.

And in that 2% of recorded history that women have had a voice?
Quelle surprise, men have waded on in and decided 'this just won't do'.

The examples of TERF thinking all use male models. He doesn't even seem to understand thevterm TERF.

Medical organizations don't define someone as trans based on clothing. It is verified through factors like phenotypic expression and biological markers.

Like, whut?? What phenotypic expression? What biological markers???

The one and only condition to be trans is literally to declare, "I am trans" or something equivalent. That's it. Nothing more needed.

Medical organizations don't define someone as trans based on clothing. It is verified through factors like phenotypic expression and biological markers.

didn't it used to be utility bills back in the day?

so born with a cock, gas bill in a lady name = trans

does having been born with a cock count as a biological marker do we think?

I just made the same point, much later than you.

I'm an educated person in society who has been following this issue closely for many years, and everything I've seen indicates that it is in the fact the trans rights activists making ceaseless attacks on women. No terf has yet threatened to rape or kill a transwoman. Many threats have been made against people like JKR, Helen Joyce, etc...

@CuriousQueer

trans people have indeed been traditionally, statistically and routinely shat upon

Only in the parallel world you live in. I'm sad for you.

Why did you completely ignore the poster’s point about women and girls? Bit misogynistic really, but par for the course with you guys I guess.

imagine role playing that you're oppressed. seems a bit sad doesn't it?

in this country according to channel 4, trans people are less likely to be murdered than the average citizen https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

Come on, you know the basics! "I am feel uncomfortable when we are not about me!"

It’s quite revealing, as always.

You're suggesting that trans-people aren't abused? And that that there is no statistical evidence for that abuse?

Absolutely!

Thank you @BernardBlacksMolluscs for providing the link to the relevant statistics.