Article on "arguing with a TERF"

[MyAmpleSheep]

I love to keep up with the other side, so here's a lot of words just to say "it's complicated." meanwhile he ignores the obvious answer to his own question.

www.fasttrackfemme.com/p/why-you-cant-win-an-argument-with

Can only offer my own opinion, but:

Sports: Same logic which was used for banning trans women from playing women in chess can be used for any other sport. Won't get into the details of what that logic is unless asked to.

Awards: If it's a female only competition, then fair, but it's up for the organisation which hands the awards.
Digital art is a medium where trans women are often supported. If there is a female only art competition, for some reason, and the organisers are okay with trans women participating, then I think they should and be able win whatever award there is.
Most artists will be supportive.

Groups: If everyone in a group is okay with it, then they can be included.

When it comes to private groups and independent organizations, women possess the agency to decide who they welcome into their own spaces.

Why is the women's spaces safer? What makes it safe?

Women have women only groups and awards because of structural issues, primarily pregnancy, childbirth and raising of children. These impact on womens careers and opportunities, not just directly but also in terms of not being offered opps/roles because they are of the sex that gets pregnant.

This is why, for centuries, women have rarely had the chances men have.

Transwomen are not impacted by these issues. Directly or indirectly.

Some man deciding his ineffable inner essence of femininity means that he is entitled to the rights that women fought so hard to gain a more equitable society is an insult. An absurd, risible insult.

We did the sports/ chess safety, fairness and dignity thing yesterday nothing has changed in the last 24 hours.

There can't be a 'female only' award or competition that includes transwomen because, altogether together at the back after 3.

1, 2 , 3

transwomen are male so it is a mixed sex award / competition not a female only award.

Over and over, the TRA argument is that men are entitled to women's things because they want them. And women are not entitled to say no.

But they reeeeaaallllly want them, really, really, really.

It just blows my mind that there is cohort of men so entitled that they are determined to barge into any women's comp, whether it be chess or tiddly-winks.

If the purpose of an organization is to bypass systemic barriers and offer opportunities to a marginalized demographic, then that organization has the agency to define the scope of its own mission.

A female-only art collective might recognize the issues biological women face. They might also look at the issues trans women face, and decide that including them aligns with their overarching mission of equity and support.

I don't think it's an absurd insult for an independent organization to decide that its mandate for correcting structural disadvantage is broad enough to include trans women.
It is simply an organization exercising its own agency to support marginalized artists on its own terms.

Those terms have to be within the law.

If the purpose of an organization is to bypass systemic barriers and offer opportunities to a marginalized demographic, then that organization has the agency to define the scope of its own mission.

As long as doing so isn’t unlawfully discriminatory under the Equality Act 2010 and other applicable legislation. You forgot that part.

True

Men who suddenly discover their inner womanly identity in middle aged aren't marginalised.

A female-only art collective might recognize the issues biological women face. They might also look at the issues trans women face, and decide that including them aligns with their overarching mission of equity and support.

I wonder if any other group would do that routinely? Recognise the issues they face participating in art, and then include another group for equality and support?

Its seems as if its something expected of woman and demanded from men.

The digital art community is pretty welcome to the idea trans women are women.
It isn't a mandate forced on female artists, but something they choose by themselves.
Take Women in Animation, one of the most prominent advocacy organization for female digital artists in the world.
Their mandate and Mentorship Program guidelines state they are dedicated to supporting "women, nonbinary, and transgender people."
They specifically highlight that they are committed to championing "Trans women" alongside biological women because they recognize the intersecting structural disadvantages both groups face in the industry.
Assuming that female artists are just passive victims being bullied into sharing their resources erases their active, willing agency.

The evidence is how estrogen works.
And again, I specified a specific group of trans women, not all of them.

I'm pretty sure I included the entirety of the human population in that.

Third spaces include one stall bathrooms too. Which I think are safe
And which would be made specificaly for trans women to use while the rest continues the same

The criteria was more eyes = more safety

One stall bathroom - I spy a transatlantic visitor

who as usual doesn't understand the equality act and how it works

why are ppl from across the pond so desperate to come here and tell us we're wrong? I mean it's not as if they have to use our public toilets

Being mathematically below the median in male strength does not automatically make someone a target for hostility. A slightly shorter-than-average, conforming man is not using a bathroom the same as a highly visible, gender-nonconforming individual on estrogen.
The vulnerability is the combination of intense social friction plus medically induced physical weakness.
Whenever "should they get a free pass to the ladies" is mentioned, I assume it's a question for people who advocate for it, not to myself.

In mixed sex toilets, the stalls have to be floor to ceiling, so men cannot see the women inside.

Therefore, no one can see if anyone is in danger in the stalls.

There isnt 'more eyes' in a mixed sex toilet.

Is providing a dedicated, single-occupancy facility as a structural alternative not entirely legally compliant to the act?

An aggressor cannot harass someone at the sinks or try to break through a floor-to-ceiling door when there are so many people around

The widespread male violence against women and ever increasing depravity of their crimes against us (hidden cameras /husbands drugging and arranging mass rapes of wives etc) I’m afraid has hardened many women’s stance on this.

Anything that minimises our protections against male violence and harassment needs to be firmly resisted. If men were not so violent to us it would be different but sadly they are. We can’t open this door to one group of men it muddies the water. Too dangerous.

That is not the only, or even the most common danger faced in public toilets.

If soneone collapses or is being attacked in a fully enclosed stall, nobody can see anything or do anything to help.