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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Hampstead Ponds update today

306 replies

WallaceinAnderland · Yesterday 19:25

I'm not sure that this is in line with the law.

They need to label all 3 ponds as mixed sex.

https://news.cityoflondon.gov.uk/hampstead-heaths-bathing-ponds-to-remain-trans-inclusive-spaces-as-city-corporation-agrees-future-access-policy/

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GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 11:45

Kasi0pia · Today 11:45

I gosh I hope so, It'll be lovely to see them waste even more money.

No, that's the GLP.
Be sure to hand over all your money to them every time they beg you for it.

ConstanzeMozart · Today 11:47

GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 11:41

Anyway.....

What's the next step now?
Are Sex Matters taking action?

They're going to the High Court in November with their appeal, but I don't know if there's new legal action in the pipeline, from them or anyone else.

Kasi0pia · Today 11:47

TheKeatingFive · Today 11:42

Not an answer, is it?

If men can 'identify' as women, why can't white people 'identify' as black people?

Trans people don't "identify" as anything.

Do you identify as your gender? Or are you just that gender?

I do realise this might mean you actually have to think about the thing you're all so angry about, but please try.

GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 11:48

ConstanzeMozart · Today 11:47

They're going to the High Court in November with their appeal, but I don't know if there's new legal action in the pipeline, from them or anyone else.

Thanks Constanze. I imagine they'll issue an update following this latest development.

DialSquare · Today 11:48

I see they are sending their best again.

TheKeatingFive · Today 11:48

Kasi0pia · Today 11:47

Trans people don't "identify" as anything.

Do you identify as your gender? Or are you just that gender?

I do realise this might mean you actually have to think about the thing you're all so angry about, but please try.

I'm not a 'gender'. I'm a woman because that is my biological sex.

Kasi0pia · Today 11:48

GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 11:45

No, that's the GLP.
Be sure to hand over all your money to them every time they beg you for it.

Oh yeah sorry I forgot. SM are the lot funded by billionaires and far right think tanks that TOTALLY have women's best interests at heart.

Kasi0pia · Today 11:49

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GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 11:50

Kasi0pia · Today 11:48

Oh yeah sorry I forgot. SM are the lot funded by billionaires and far right think tanks that TOTALLY have women's best interests at heart.

Not sure about your interpretation of their funding arrangements, but 100% agree with you that they TOTALLY have women's best interests at heart. I'm delighted you can see it.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Today 11:51

Hasn't the plopper finished Bingo yet, they/them/it has pretty much covered every square twice.

TheKeatingFive · Today 11:53

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I'll stick to the actual science subjects, ta.

I'll leave you to your 'advanced' gender studies and the eleventy billion genders that someone plucked out of their back sides 😂

MyAmpleSheep · Today 11:54

MyThreeWords · Today 10:11

No, because there is also an everyone pool.

EDIT: Also, the discrimination men would have to allege is discrimination on the basis of sex. And women face exactly the same set of exclusions as men -- ie, if they don't claim a trans identity there are only two out of three ponds they can use. So no discrimination on the basis of sex

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The Court of Appeal threw out this argument in Al Hijra.

You cannot fix discrimination against one group by “equally discriminating” against another.

A man is denied the right to socialize with his female friends in the women’s pool, on the basis of his sex. That is not repaired by discriminating against a different person, a woman, by preventing her from socializing with her male friends in the men’s pool. They both suffer a detriment, not “neither of them”.

PrettyDamnCosmic · Today 11:54

Kasi0pia · Today 11:48

Oh yeah sorry I forgot. SM are the lot funded by billionaires and far right think tanks that TOTALLY have women's best interests at heart.

Sex Matters is a charity. Their funding is totally transparent as the accounts are published online. There is no sign of billionaires or far right think tanks just small donations from people like us.

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/en/charity-search/-/charity-details/5204776

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · Today 11:54

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Today 11:51

Hasn't the plopper finished Bingo yet, they/them/it has pretty much covered every square twice.

They'll get bored. Attention spans aren't usually their forte.

Kasi0pia · Today 11:56

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Kasi0pia · Today 12:00

PrettyDamnCosmic · Today 11:54

Sex Matters is a charity. Their funding is totally transparent as the accounts are published online. There is no sign of billionaires or far right think tanks just small donations from people like us.

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/en/charity-search/-/charity-details/5204776

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Where does it show the funding comes from small donations?

I mean I might have missed it when I just had a look.

PrettyDamnCosmic · Today 12:01

I know I haven'tbeen taking my own advice but...

Hampstead Ponds update today
Zoonosis · Today 12:01

PencilsInSpace · Today 11:33

Is that a female that identifies as being transgender?

Yes. See? It's not difficult.

A lot of people are confused about the sex of 'trans men' and 'trans women'. Far from being RIDICULOUS, this is clear language which cuts through the obfuscation.

Bollocks. The terms "trans man" and "trans woman" are in common usage and widely understood. It's the gender critical movement that tries to obfuscate and control the narrative by forcing their own deliberately confusing and offensive terminology.

Kasi0pia · Today 12:01

PrettyDamnCosmic · Today 12:01

I know I haven'tbeen taking my own advice but...

I totally agree

GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 12:03

So anyway...these ponds....

Anyone been? They do look lovely for a cooling swim on a hot day.

Kasi0pia · Today 12:03

GreyskySexRealistsky · Today 12:03

So anyway...these ponds....

Anyone been? They do look lovely for a cooling swim on a hot day.

I'm there now, it's lovely

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Today 12:05

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I see you know who we were talking about then. 😂

Theeyeballsinthesky · Today 12:08

Zoonosis · Today 12:01

Bollocks. The terms "trans man" and "trans woman" are in common usage and widely understood. It's the gender critical movement that tries to obfuscate and control the narrative by forcing their own deliberately confusing and offensive terminology.

Yeah nah

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/06/third-of-britons-dont-know-trans-women-born-male/

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Today 12:10

Zoonosis · Today 12:01

Bollocks. The terms "trans man" and "trans woman" are in common usage and widely understood. It's the gender critical movement that tries to obfuscate and control the narrative by forcing their own deliberately confusing and offensive terminology.

They're not common outside the 'tranosphere' they're misleading terms and deliberately so.

CreativeGreen · Today 12:11

Kasi0pia · Today 11:36

Does it though?

Is "a female that identifies as being transgender" more concise and understandable than "trans man"?

It's more accurate