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GLP - We’re suing a hospital for trans discrimination

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toyl9876 · 29/05/2026 14:01

https://goodlawproject.org/were-suing-a-hospital-for-trans-discrimination/

“In May 2025, Lisa* was booked in for surgery to have her testes removed due to chronic pain. But a week before the operation was going to take place, the hospital called to say the surgery was cancelled.

The hospital claimed they couldn’t operate because the surgery was classed as gender-affirming care. But surgery for pain has nothing to do with gender-affirming care, and refusing to treat someone just because of their gender identity is discrimination.”

We’re suing a hospital for trans discrimination | Good Law Project

A hospital refused surgery to a woman in pain, just because she’s trans – so we’re taking them to court

https://goodlawproject.org/were-suing-a-hospital-for-trans-discrimination/

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helderste · 29/05/2026 23:09

theilltemperedamateur · 29/05/2026 22:10

What, exactly, would be the discriminatory motive on the part of the team? It seems probable that a gender specialist would be more appropriate both for diagnosis and treatment.

The real issue is surely the very long waiting list for gender referrals.

The real issue is surely the very long waiting list for gender referrals.

Yes and it’s very unlikely the urological surgery team will feel they are responsible for that, so they’ll just refer on to them for further care as they see fit.

HouseLurcher · 29/05/2026 23:09

NotBadConsidering · 29/05/2026 23:04

🤣🤣 if you say so.

Facts like humans can’t change sex, men can’t be women, and children aren’t born in the wrong body are pretty standard here.

Whereas “I need to have my testicles removed to help me achieve my inner woman” is the fundamental principle of this case.

This person has been in chronic pain for years and your response is laugh emojis and mocking comments, says it all really.

SexRealistic · 29/05/2026 23:16

HouseLurcher · 29/05/2026 22:58

Notably what I haven't said is it is definitely discrimination. That remains to be proven in court. As I've said several times now, another possible scenario is the hospital made an enormous mistake by agreeing to do a surgery that wasn't possible, wasn't indicated, or wasn't commissioned, and not correcting their mistake until the last minute and not offering any alternative treatment. Which would be bad but not necessarily discriminatory.

What I'm pushing back against here is the automatic assumptions by many that Lisa herself must be the one at fault, must be lying, chancing, or making unreasonable demands that can't be met, assumptions that aren't founded in any evidence that we know, run counter to some of the evidence we know, because I know - and I suspect you know as well - people are only making these assumptions because Lisa is trans and thinking the worst of trans people is a kneejerk default reaction for some.

Lisa is a patsy, a strawman, a notion.

GLP can’t get standing as it’s a private business that rakes in cash on a whole lot of random stuff like covid-19, the government and Brexit cases. The recent trans wave has been incredibly damaging for trans people.

In GLP v EHRC, the judge decided GLP didn’t have standing because of the case of GLP v random gvt thing. They literally made the law that gets them struck out of these cases.

And then when it goes to toilets - never mind FWS or Equality Act 2010 - the judge says plain as day Workplace Regs does exactly what it says on the tin.

GLP uses vulnerable and suicidal young people and brings them into litigation to serve their ends. They use them, they misstate their cases, they have been proven to lie.

Lisa isn’t the issue or indeed the case in point - Lisa is some misquoted young man who Jolyon has hamis claws into so he can exploit them.

SexRealistic · 29/05/2026 23:18

HouseLurcher · 29/05/2026 23:09

This person has been in chronic pain for years and your response is laugh emojis and mocking comments, says it all really.

You have no evidence and most of what GLP state before court can’t be proven.

There are better causes for you to get exercised by.

NotBadConsidering · 29/05/2026 23:22

HouseLurcher · 29/05/2026 23:09

This person has been in chronic pain for years and your response is laugh emojis and mocking comments, says it all really.

My laughing emojis were to your laughable claim that this forum avoids the truth. That’s a ridiculous claim in the context of all the falsehoods we confront here.

The claim of Lisa is the principle of the case, isn’t it?

If he has genuine chronic testicular pain, the treatments are anything other than removing the testicles.

If it’s for gender affirming reasons, then it’s not a pain issue and removing the testicles is so he can achieve a body modification goal, and should be done in that context.

Which is it?

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 29/05/2026 23:28

Well I, for one, find it very hard to believe that the same NHS that pretends female wards are single-sex, that gaslit the Darlington nurses with a man in their women's changing room and that admitted a trans-identified female to a male mental health ward where she was immediately raped would suddenly go all cold on gender ideology.

HouseLurcher · 29/05/2026 23:39

NotBadConsidering · 29/05/2026 23:22

My laughing emojis were to your laughable claim that this forum avoids the truth. That’s a ridiculous claim in the context of all the falsehoods we confront here.

The claim of Lisa is the principle of the case, isn’t it?

If he has genuine chronic testicular pain, the treatments are anything other than removing the testicles.

If it’s for gender affirming reasons, then it’s not a pain issue and removing the testicles is so he can achieve a body modification goal, and should be done in that context.

Which is it?

This entire thread is nothing but people making shit up and thinking they're terribly clever for it because they got to have a nasty little dig at a trans person with a chronic health problem. I don't think you'd know what the truth was if it bit you.

If he has genuine chronic testicular pain, the treatments are anything other than removing the testicles.

Orchidectomy is indeed a treatment for chronic testicular pain, as evidenced by all the evidence I posted earlier in the thread. But sure, continue to talk from ignorance while you're trying to convince me how truth-filled you are.

NotBadConsidering · 29/05/2026 23:44

HouseLurcher · 29/05/2026 23:39

This entire thread is nothing but people making shit up and thinking they're terribly clever for it because they got to have a nasty little dig at a trans person with a chronic health problem. I don't think you'd know what the truth was if it bit you.

If he has genuine chronic testicular pain, the treatments are anything other than removing the testicles.

Orchidectomy is indeed a treatment for chronic testicular pain, as evidenced by all the evidence I posted earlier in the thread. But sure, continue to talk from ignorance while you're trying to convince me how truth-filled you are.

No, the entire thread is people pointing out potential explanations other than those proffered by notoriously lax with the truth company GLP.

The fact he has been referred to a gender team suggests it’s not the chronic pain issue that is claimed. Orchidectomy is barely mentioned as a treatment option for chronic pain, not least until all other options both non-surgical and surgical (non-orchidectomy) options have been done. Have they been done?

You said there was “only one plausible explanation” despite the fact there are many plausible explanations as to why this surgery has been deferred. You are quite limited in your process.

HouseLurcher · 29/05/2026 23:49

NotBadConsidering · 29/05/2026 23:44

No, the entire thread is people pointing out potential explanations other than those proffered by notoriously lax with the truth company GLP.

The fact he has been referred to a gender team suggests it’s not the chronic pain issue that is claimed. Orchidectomy is barely mentioned as a treatment option for chronic pain, not least until all other options both non-surgical and surgical (non-orchidectomy) options have been done. Have they been done?

You said there was “only one plausible explanation” despite the fact there are many plausible explanations as to why this surgery has been deferred. You are quite limited in your process.

Well the thing is my process isn't to just automatically assume anything that doesn't fit my narrative of all trans people being bad and everything bad that happens to them being their own fault is wrong or a lie.

nolongersurprised · 29/05/2026 23:50

NotBadConsidering · 29/05/2026 23:22

My laughing emojis were to your laughable claim that this forum avoids the truth. That’s a ridiculous claim in the context of all the falsehoods we confront here.

The claim of Lisa is the principle of the case, isn’t it?

If he has genuine chronic testicular pain, the treatments are anything other than removing the testicles.

If it’s for gender affirming reasons, then it’s not a pain issue and removing the testicles is so he can achieve a body modification goal, and should be done in that context.

Which is it?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK482481/

Bilateral orchidectomy for chronic testicular pain seems like a very very last resort after years of pelvic floor therapy, medication, psychiatric involvement and consideration of microsurgery.

GLP won’t win - all the hospital has to say is that, after a MDT review, the recommended surgery wasn’t the gold standard care (it’s not) and offering it wasn’t in line with their recommended treatment options.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK482481/

NotBadConsidering · 29/05/2026 23:54

HouseLurcher · 29/05/2026 23:49

Well the thing is my process isn't to just automatically assume anything that doesn't fit my narrative of all trans people being bad and everything bad that happens to them being their own fault is wrong or a lie.

Good for you, but I would suggest having blind faith in anything GLP says is a good way to alleviate yourself of any claims to the truth, the moral high ground, and most likely some of your money.

HouseLurcher · 29/05/2026 23:59

nolongersurprised · 29/05/2026 23:50

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK482481/

Bilateral orchidectomy for chronic testicular pain seems like a very very last resort after years of pelvic floor therapy, medication, psychiatric involvement and consideration of microsurgery.

GLP won’t win - all the hospital has to say is that, after a MDT review, the recommended surgery wasn’t the gold standard care (it’s not) and offering it wasn’t in line with their recommended treatment options.

And then they'll have to explain why they offered the patient the surgery anyway, didn't manage to rectify this mistake until the last minute, and why none of these alternative recommended treatment options got offered to the patient.

HouseLurcher · 30/05/2026 00:02

NotBadConsidering · 29/05/2026 23:54

Good for you, but I would suggest having blind faith in anything GLP says is a good way to alleviate yourself of any claims to the truth, the moral high ground, and most likely some of your money.

I wouldn't climb too high on that horse, given the gender critical movement's unfortunate history with crowdfunders who vanish with large sums of money.

nolongersurprised · 30/05/2026 00:04

HouseLurcher · 29/05/2026 23:59

And then they'll have to explain why they offered the patient the surgery anyway, didn't manage to rectify this mistake until the last minute, and why none of these alternative recommended treatment options got offered to the patient.

No they don’t, they just need to say that on considered reflection the treatment wasn’t in line with gold standard care. They don’t need to explain why they didn’t do a surgery that hardly ever happens anymore.

NotBadConsidering · 30/05/2026 00:06

HouseLurcher · 29/05/2026 23:59

And then they'll have to explain why they offered the patient the surgery anyway, didn't manage to rectify this mistake until the last minute, and why none of these alternative recommended treatment options got offered to the patient.

Because this happens all the time, particularly in the NHS. This is another plausible explanation.

NotBadConsidering · 30/05/2026 00:07

HouseLurcher · 30/05/2026 00:02

I wouldn't climb too high on that horse, given the gender critical movement's unfortunate history with crowdfunders who vanish with large sums of money.

Let’s look at GLP’s winning record vs money grifted shall we?

mrshoho · 30/05/2026 00:10

HouseLurcher · 30/05/2026 00:02

I wouldn't climb too high on that horse, given the gender critical movement's unfortunate history with crowdfunders who vanish with large sums of money.

Really? Are you able to name the specific individuals of these crowdfunders who vanished with large sums of money?

HouseLurcher · 30/05/2026 00:15

NotBadConsidering · 30/05/2026 00:07

Let’s look at GLP’s winning record vs money grifted shall we?

At least they are actually using their supporter's money to pay for court cases. Remember that lovely lady who wouldn't wheesht who crowfunded over £25,000 for a court case that never happened? She wheeshted alright once she got her hands on that money, vanished off social media, never heard from again until she got done for fraud a few years later. Or how about the Detransitioner's Network which went defunked after it was revealed only a handful of people ever contacted the service, some of the crowdfund got spent on a pizza dinner and the rest was just never accounted for.

I'd say using a money for its intended cause and losing is still better than outright fraud to be quite honest. Careful on that horse.

viques · 30/05/2026 00:16

RubberDinghyRapidsBro · 29/05/2026 15:21

Jolyon's missed the point by a nautical mile here - surely this is the most gender affirming thing that has or will ever occur for Lisa? Being denied treatment for chronic pain is an everyday occurrence for women! Welcome to the waiting list club, Lisa.

Aw bless Lisa. Are you sure it isn’t all in your mind dear? First things first though before we go down the expensive surgery route, have you tried paracetamol and a hot water bottle? And distracting yourself with a good romcom?

nolongersurprised · 30/05/2026 00:18

HouseLurcher · 29/05/2026 23:59

And then they'll have to explain why they offered the patient the surgery anyway, didn't manage to rectify this mistake until the last minute, and why none of these alternative recommended treatment options got offered to the patient.

It’s not possible that the ONLY treatment modality offered to this patient was a orchidectomy, given that that happens very very very infrequently now.

Maybe the patient is an unreliable narrator? Maybe the GLP are grifters?

Court case :
GLP : this patient was told he couldn’t have his testicles removed
Hospital : no-one does this any more, in any circumstance, and on reflection we decided it was extreme and not in keeping with trust guidelines

😀

NotBadConsidering · 30/05/2026 00:19

HouseLurcher · 30/05/2026 00:15

At least they are actually using their supporter's money to pay for court cases. Remember that lovely lady who wouldn't wheesht who crowfunded over £25,000 for a court case that never happened? She wheeshted alright once she got her hands on that money, vanished off social media, never heard from again until she got done for fraud a few years later. Or how about the Detransitioner's Network which went defunked after it was revealed only a handful of people ever contacted the service, some of the crowdfund got spent on a pizza dinner and the rest was just never accounted for.

I'd say using a money for its intended cause and losing is still better than outright fraud to be quite honest. Careful on that horse.

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GLP - We’re suing a hospital for trans discrimination
mrshoho · 30/05/2026 00:23

Those charges were dropped were they.not?

nolongersurprised · 30/05/2026 00:24

I'd say using a money for its intended cause and losing is still better than outright fraud to be quite honest. Careful on that horse

This case has zero chance of winning. The hospital are practicing within established guidelines. Surely it’s borderline fraudulent to ask for donations for a cause that has no chance of winning? Does JM want to renovate another windmill?

nolongersurprised · 30/05/2026 00:49

Even the trans Reddit thread on this case has posters pointing out that the NHS, on its website, says that testes are only removed (on the NHS) for cancer or if the testicle is dead.

JM is a greedy grifter.