Organisations refusing to give their single sex spaces policy - David Lloyd for example

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

I have been trying for a long time to get a written policy out of David Lloyds for about a year. they are still refusing to do so.

Anyone got any suggestions? And What other orgs are refusing to do it?

Is this the next trench we have to fight in? Getting the damned thing written down?

Nobody was, up until your post nobody even knew your 'trans' child existed, so why are you taking it personally.

The poster I quoted was tarring all trans women with the same brush. Why am I taking it personally? Because life is very difficult for my DD. She has horrible body dismorphia, hates her body and is regularly suicidal. She is such a gentle soul and I don't like the thought of her being put under the label of TRA when that couldn't be further from the truth.

They are scared of trans rights activists cancelling them

I am sorry for your child.

I am regularly suicidal as a result of what a man did to me.

I am entitled to women’s single sex spaces and I really need those rights to be respected.

Again, im sorry for your child, but they shouldn’t be in single sex spaces that don’t align with their birth sex.

Does your child use women's single sex provisions? Because if they do, they are part of the tra campaign and problem, I'm afraid.

I know you love your child, but that's not a pass to violate women's privacy and dignity.

Would you like to point out where I did that? In the first paragraph I referenced trans people without judgment. If you actually READ what I wrote instead of leaping to feeling hard done by, you'll see I was saying I'd have supported trans people in a campaign for additional gender neutral spaces.

In the second paragraph onwards I referenced TRAs and their behaviour. There is a distinction between 'trans people in general' and 'Trans Rights Activists'.

I'm sorry for how your child feels but perhaps he needs to be helped to accept his male body rather than everyone pretending he's a woman. But if - IF - he's using women-only spaces then yeah, in that scenario he's part of the problem.

She's not. I already said she uses the single cubicles for any sex. She believes in single sex spaces for women. I have had the same experience as you. She understands the reason.I am sorry that happened to you.

I'm sorry for misunderstanding you. It is just a really difficult time right now. We don't pretend anything. And we tried the first but she kept trying to kill herself. And as I already said she does not use women only spaces as she supports them. She is not part of the problem, I don't know why she has such bad body dismorphia or if it is related to trauma but she does and we are just having to do what we can to keep her alive.

I have already said she doesn't. You are assuming something just because she is trans, she supports women only spaces.

i am sorry for your experiences.

You blithely answered “they can use a cubicle” as an answer to the question as to why women don’t want men in their single sex changing rooms because there might be a man there. What did you mean by that then? Why is the solution, as far as you are concerned, for someone like me to be excluded and driven away, rather than expecting men not to enter women’s single sex spaces?

I cannot imagine how horrendous it must be to live with someone you love with all your heart, but who also demands that you accept a blatant, fundamental lie or they'll kill themselves. What parent cannot read that choice and feel how crushingly miserable that situation is?

This ideology is utterly utterly horrendous. Actually I'm struggling to find the words.

I guarantee no one on this thread has ever or will ever see a man with their penis hanging out in a women’s changing room!!

Well, I have, so you’re wrong.

It’s like someone starting a thread about being concerned about being hit by lightning and asking how to avoid it - for which the chances are probably higher. Everyone would think they were mental

People do get killed by being struck by lightning. It’s rare, but it happens. The Met Office gives advice. Why would anyone think that seeking advice was “mental”, as you charmingly put it?

https://weather.metoffice.gov.uk/warnings-and-advice/seasonal-advice/health-wellbeing/stay-safe-in-thunder-and-lightning

I don't know what you mean. David Lloyd has a mixed sex changing room that has single cubicles. You can use the women's changing room if you want a single sex space. You aren't driven away or excluded.

But it appears that DL include men who say they are women in the category of women. So “single sex” is meaningless in their establishments.

Fair enough, I was just going on my own experience. There is a sign in our changing room saying over 8 have to use the room for their sex or the mixed sex room. If that is not being kept to then that is wrong. I'm sure genuine trans people would use the mixed sex room, but I understand the issue.

I'm sure genuine trans people would use the mixed sex room

You are obviously very new to this. Be prepared for many unpleasant surprises.

What is a “ genuine “ trans person ?

We have had genuine male trans people on this board tell us there was no way they would be moving from the female single sex provision even if a mixed sex additional alternative was provided.

There are many male trans people who declare that they are genuine all over social media telling women that they won’t be othered by mixed sex provisions. It is an intimidation tactic but I believe that there is no way some of them will use the mixed sex alternative.

Strange how it appears to be only men who have a problem using the correct ( ie male) facilities . I have never heard of a woman who claims to be a man insisting on using male facilities .
Wonder why ?

@SingleSexSpacesInSchools I know you wrote the campaign case book on this…..

But write to their directors per company house to warn them they’re in breach and you’ll write to their insurers.

Then write to insurers saying they’re breaking the law, you plan to sue them and can they confirm if they’re covered…..

@UndertheCedartree I’m sorry to hear your troubles and I hope you’re all getting the support you need. That must be a frightening situation for a parent.

I've not had dealings with them myself but have seen these people referred to on here as a support group for parents of trans identified children: www.bayswatersupport.org.uk

No, living it day by day

One that has body dismorphia through no fault of their own. One that supports women's safety. One that does not pretend to be trans for their own ends.

They don't sound genuine to me. Even if my child did not support single sex spaces she would be far too afraid of using the women's changing for fear of looks or even abuse (although this has always come from men.) She would always prefer to hide away in a cubicle.

I think it is because some men like to use the mental illness of others for their own gains.